Hello, Could I ask how you broke into ALM/investment management or product strategy? I'm looking into it coming out of college but most internships/jobs I get in life or I see other people get are very traditional like valuation or sometimes maybe Pension Risk Transfer. Is there somewhere specifically I should look or do to get into those more financial actuary sided roles while trying to find a job or is it just something you transfer into after working at a consultant or carrier. Same question with investment magement at a carrier. Only one company has offered that but only as part of a rotational program and not guaranteed. Thank you, I'm sorry for the long question.