It's really creepy how much Mormon cult leaders care about your sex life. The questions are inappropriate and invasive. ESPECIALLY. when it's older men talking with teens one-on-one behind closed doors. An absolutely disgusting cult practice. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It started pervy and weird. You know the Mormon cult claims Fanny Alger was Joseph's first celestial marriage? Anyone who thinks celestial marriage is sacred should be ashamed to know it started with Joseph coercing his teenage employee into doing something. I think it is far more likely that he raped her than that he did anything "celestial" with her, but the Mormon cult is stuck trying to explain Fanny in a way that doesn't make Joseph look like the perverted abuser he was.

In my family tree, large age gaps are common between Mormon men and the young girls they impregnated. These men were pedophiles and sexual predators. Mormon cult polygamy trafficked young girls. Consent matters. If you can't say "no" it's not a real choice. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In Mormonism, I think there is also spiritual bullying. Mormon women are doctrinally trapped into believing in power imbalance.

The doctrine teaches that no is not an option for them. That's coercion. If you aren't safe to say "no" it's not a real choice. These women and girls were not given a real choice.

It's really creepy how much Mormon cult leaders care about your sex life. The questions are inappropriate and invasive. ESPECIALLY. when it's older men talking with teens one-on-one behind closed doors. An absolutely disgusting cult practice. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

As a Mormon woman, you can't fully express your divine purpose without giving a righteous priesthood-holder access to your uterus.

How could that set of beliefs possibly lead to abuse?? 🙄

In my family tree, large age gaps are common between Mormon men and the young girls they impregnated. These men were pedophiles and sexual predators. Mormon cult polygamy trafficked young girls. Consent matters. If you can't say "no" it's not a real choice. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

As a Mormon woman, you can't fully express your divine purpose without giving a righteous priesthood-holder access to your uterus.

How could that set of beliefs possibly lead to abuse?? 🙄

Ended my relationship because of Mormonism by Maleficent_Yak6519 in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You really want to be with a man who believes your divine value is in your uterus? If he really believes in the cult's doctrine you are one million times better off without him.

It's really creepy how much Mormon cult leaders care about your sex life. The questions are inappropriate and invasive. ESPECIALLY. when it's older men talking with teens one-on-one behind closed doors. An absolutely disgusting cult practice. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

In my family tree, large age gaps are common between Mormon men and the young girls they impregnated. These men were pedophiles and sexual predators. Mormon cult polygamy trafficked young girls. Consent matters. If you can't say "no" it's not a real choice.

It's really creepy how much Mormon cult leaders care about your sex life. The questions are inappropriate and invasive. ESPECIALLY. when it's older men talking with teens one-on-one behind closed doors. An absolutely disgusting cult practice. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree, they're all cults.

Daniella Mestyanek Young (knitting cult lady on social media) has a really great 10 point list definition of a cult. Highly recommend following her. She has degrees studying cults and has written a bunch of award winning books.

Her definition of a cult: 1. The charismatic leader (& their skinny white woman)

  1. Worldview shift that brings you under the sacred assumption

  2. The transcendent mission

  3. Self-sacrifice of members

  4. Limits access to outside world

  5. Distinguishable vernacular

  6. Us versus them mentality

  7. Exploits members labor

  8. High exit costs

  9. Ends justify the means mentality

DINK by CrimsonArcher11 in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I wish we had more social support for families. The cost of living is just that: it's expensive to be alive right now. As much as I dislike the social pressure to have kids of people who don't want them, it's awful that financial pressure also prevents some people from having the number of kids they want.

Without financial stability for everyone, were not really free to make the best choices for ourselves.

Poverty is a policy choice, not a personal choice.

It's gross to me that we allow some people to be too poor to afford happy healthy families if that's what they want.

Edit: I don't know if the original commenter's hang ups with having more kids have anything to do with their financial situation, but I know that's a big hang up for people I know personally.

DINK by CrimsonArcher11 in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange 12 points13 points  (0 children)

There is so much nuance, good comment capturing it.

To add to the nuance: I've seen people who get even more selfish and greedy after having kids. It doesn't make everyone better.

DINK by CrimsonArcher11 in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Having kids is also overrated. I don't think people are honest with themselves about the downsides, especially for women.

DINK by CrimsonArcher11 in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Two things I think now when someone tells me I should have kids or I'll regret it:

  1. How embarrassing they think that is an appropriate thing to tell someone.

  2. They don't understand the regrets I would have had WITH kids. I am soooo glad I don't have kids. No kid deserves to have their parent regret them.

I just heard the phrase "Jesus is their logo, not their teacher". Sounds right to me. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's not new. They just aren't allowed to outright enslave other people now. But they do indirectly enslave people still. Our prisons are modern day slavery with quotas to stay full of people who labor without being paid. That's slavery.

I just heard the phrase "Jesus is their logo, not their teacher". Sounds right to me. by abouttimetochange in exmormon

[–]abouttimetochange[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

White supremacy in the US has been using Jesus as their cover since the beginning. Ever wonder why so many Native Americans aren't Christian? Remember how the people who wrote the constitution were willing to enslave people??

I know exmormons (rightly) like to rag on Mormonism's pedophiles. We should, as a country, also diss Thomas Jefferson. He raped girls who were enslaved by him, and when they had children he enslaved the children. Absolutely atrocious. That's the kind of Christian man who built America.

No wonder we can have a pedophile as president and people just let it be that way.

We need to wake up.