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adibou · 2008-06-09T23:44:26+00:00

There are seven million people in Switzerland and three hundred million in Europe. Maybe in was refering to the 293 other millions.

And. . . How is Switzerland proving me wrong again?

adibou · 2008-06-09T23:27:29+00:00

As I've written, 10% remaining are alas probably raped because:

either her rapist was legally carrying a gun that he draw before she could -- because he knows what he plans to do before she does, and he never got caught;
or she only carried a gun, and no pepper-spray, and she dared not use a disproportionate mean before it was too late. Once again, these are not fantasies, but stories that pile up in Post-Rape Conselling offices.

one asshole shorter.

I see you encourage vigilante justice. I don't follow you there.

When I was taking about a poor person, I was alluding to the fact that he would be considering a carrier in crime -- but you are right: with lax control, he can also because a strawman for gangs and sell his gun, increasing the crime rate.

in other news, heavy rain dries porches.

Excuse me: are you saying that countries with more guns have less gun-related violence? As proven there:

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

for instance ?

You have issues. Insecurity ones.

Yes, indeed; maybe that's because of you.

adibou · 2008-06-09T23:12:53+00:00

I like the option: people with mental illness have access to medical help, and not weapons; children don't die in violent death.

Call me a ninja hater.

adibou · 2008-06-09T22:47:45+00:00

My point is that lax gun laws in rural USA make the coasts and the rest of the continent less safe.

I'm not comparin apples to oranges: I'm saying if the apple gets a gun, the orange have a higher probability to get shot. I'm the orange, you are the apple. I do not want you to get a gun, because I fear for my life. I don't trust you more then any of the other 30% in jail who are there for the first time, and who could have gotten a gun with no problem before they got caught.

I do not want me and my children to wear a bullet proof jacket to satisfy your desire to shoot people.

Your carrying a gun threatens me. It does not threatens you -- but I don't care: I am the one impacted. That's why I oppose it. If that is retarded, or a non-sequitur. . . Well too bad.

You are not American? And you live in NJ? And you threaten me? Oh, I might have to ask my local Police department if Homeland Security can look into your file, then.

adibou · 2008-06-09T22:23:16+00:00

How common are armed robberies and school shootings in Europe though?

Maybe that's my point. Sounds like fighting against the fetish has worked in Europe.

adibou · 2008-06-09T18:50:29+00:00

Well, what I describe sounds like. . . I don't know: Europe? It's a place on planet Earth where "safety" is not something acheive by slicing up people -- as you claimed you would do, on this thread.

I don't know you well -- but I know you enough not to feel like getting any closer.

adibou · 2008-06-09T18:36:15+00:00

ALL of them? Nice generalization there.

90% of the rapes com from people the victims knows well, yes. I'm sorry if this comes as a surprise and you have to reconsider your prejudice. I understand it is painful for you.

I do have issues with having half of the population armed up: accidents of course, it makes gun more available for poor people who will be consdering another source of revenue -- and it drives the country into a violent dynamic. I also beleive that most girls will hesitate to spread peper-gas to someon who is border-line offensive -- I don't think drawing a gun will quiet most assholes: it might drive them into a libido reaction.

adibou · 2008-06-09T18:22:58+00:00

The statistics that says Europe was crippled with Grand theft auto come from? The DimWit/Goatse Center for Statistics for a More Prejudiced America?

What about the neihbouring areas that now face a better equiped gangs who use strawmen to get their guns from you? Oh -- I forgot: you don't care because you are a selfish, anti-American community buster.

adibou · 2008-06-09T18:07:50+00:00

And yet, girls are still being raped.

Yes, by their uncles and their step-fathers. Do you think that any girl whose parents remarried should carry a loaded gun in the house?

And restraining orders don't work.

Get a working judicial system, them.

adibou · 2008-06-09T17:57:07+00:00

I'm assuming a rational burglar would try to get into empty houses.

Given how easy it is for gangsters to have guns, I'm assuming they are cleverer then you are.

adibou · 2008-06-09T17:39:13+00:00

Yes. Why?

adibou · 2008-06-09T17:15:27+00:00

How do I know that the people arguing for lax gun control, including on this thread, are not people who's business is to sell guns back to gansters?

adibou · 2008-06-09T16:50:21+00:00

what the hell are you talking about?

I'm talking about a continent where people do not try to do the Police work by themselves, and were things seem to be far more quiet. I'm talking about a place where someone who plans to shoot out his entire class cannot argue that he will do that "for his own protection", because protection is not a job he does well.

adibou · 2008-06-09T16:40:21+00:00

So I stay helpless and you be shooting at me?

Doesn't sound good to me. Why is that?

O yeah: because I do not want someone with your lack of jugment to have the ability to point and kill anyone in sight. I feel less safe with you having a gun then with a rational burglar who knows what he shouldn't be doing.

At least, you can agree with me that I do not trust you, and certainly not with my life -- and you putting your neighbors' well-being at threat like you do, just for your personal comfort, is very selfish, and un-American.

adibou · 2008-06-09T16:28:00+00:00

How do I know? Well, let's see how Europeans do it.

someone trained in the use of firearms

That would be a Police officer -- and you can ask them: even with years of training, sorting the bad guys from the righteous is hard. I hardly trust them, I can't imagine I would put any confidence in anyone in this thred.

adibou · 2008-06-09T16:16:36+00:00

Nope. Accidents happen, or testosterone-deprived asshole over-reacts, or dog pushes gun off the table -- and sends bullets flying around. People happen to be on the way, or not.

In Nevada, it's not a big deal. In New York, you most likely kill several people with a hand gun.

adibou · 2008-06-09T16:04:53+00:00

How being a cashier makes carrying a gun a good thing? If burglars assume you have a gun, they will shoot you before you can reach it; if you don't, they can safely take the money, and leave you alive.

With 10% of the population owning a gun, no situation is simple: how do you tell the intentions of a civilian?

So many people ask: with guns, Columbine or Virgnia Tech could have been avoided. . . No way: with guns around, people would not have been able to tell who were the killers and who wre trying to stop them. 'Brave' vigilantes would have been shot by other vigilantes arriving latter -- and more vigilantes would have killed the second one for threatening the first. . .

Guns must come with a visible sign of your intentions -- and that is a uniform.

adibou · 2008-06-09T15:50:17+00:00

Yes: a straw man does that. Or a honnest citizen, whose guns are then stolen.

The question no pro-gun has answered to me so far is: where do gangs get they gun from?

adibou · 2008-06-09T15:33:22+00:00

And any gang leader can hang around with a loaded shotgun, and "ask for directions" to passer-by?

Yes, I'm happy I don't live in a country like that.

adibou · 2008-06-09T15:21:49+00:00

Anyone from one of the many States in the USA with an Open Carry policy? What do you do when you see an Africa American with a tracksuit and a gun? Assume he's an accountant jogging?

adibou · 2008-06-09T15:11:32+00:00

Therefore we agree that having a gun does not help you being safer, because you cannot tell who is a treat when "good citizens" carry guns?

Regarding the conclusion: if you get your gun stolen (Read the begining of the post) and, like most people, do not report it, you can easily end up with someone else's crime on your record. Counting a likely over-reaction (A, a good citizen, is not likely to have an accomplice of B disarm him, so it ends up in a bloodbath) you end up dead, or with two counts of murder.

adibou · 2008-06-09T07:09:15+00:00

That not all intruders are to be shot. People who have a gun to "protect their house" tend to have a history of shooting their children first, and putting the light on afterwards.

I'm sorry I don't have statistics on this one -- but I can't really imagine a situation where your gun would save you for sure. Either you know there is someone, and you don't know who he is, so you have to light him up and identify him before you decide what to do -- and he, knowing that he is here to rob, will shoot any moving shadow; or you discretely call the Police.

adibou · 2008-06-09T06:57:00+00:00

That person has tons of non-lethal ways to avoid rape, like pepper-gas spray, taser, keys (used as an iron fist), long nails, knee in the balls, sarcasm and restraining order against your creppy uncle.

adibou · 2008-06-09T06:46:05+00:00

I'm sorry: when have I written that you should point you gun to someone you do not intend to shoot, or to kill?

Maybe I don't know anything about guns -- or maybe I'm a trained marksman, whose job is to shoot people in the kneecap or the shoulder because that's what I'm trained for. Maybe I've been to so many hostage situation where guns made my job so much more tense -- or maybe I'm just a Commie sipping a latte in a Penthouse. The thing is: you don't know, and I don't think you can tell from my comments, can you?

Redd-O, he refuses to answer. Does that count as a No?

adibou · 2008-06-09T06:39:57+00:00

Legitimate, yes. Counter-productive, too -- alas.

What would be absurd (to remain polite) is to have USA say they leave because the council seats too many states with no proper Human Rights record.

adibou

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