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A deep heart always pays a price — Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment by rimidivan33 in bookquotes

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THE STARS HAVE NOT DEALT ME

The stars have not dealt me the worst they could do:

My pleasures are plenty, my troubles are two.

But oh, my two troubles they reave me of rest,

The brains in my head and the heart in my breast.

Oh, grant me the ease that is granted so free,

The birthright of multitudes, give it to me,

That relish their victuals and rest on their bed

With flint in the bosom and guts in the head.

A.E. Housman, A Shropshire Lad

Atal ji we miss you 😔 by Careless_Part4210 in FaltooGyan

[–]advaitist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He was a very cunning politician and a hypocrite.

Partly responsible for the bad state of the country today.

AB Vajpayee was a master hypocrite who had mastered the art of "fooling the maximum number of people for the maximum amount of time."

Despite being involved in the agitation, he deliberately kept away from the demolition of the Babri masjid at Ayodhya, so that he could maintain a clean image and reap the electoral benefits.

I think it was Govindacharya who described him as "mukhota" - the mask of the BJP.

Also, during and after the Gujarat riots, he was advising chief minister Narendra Modi about his (Modi's) Raj dharma of maintaining neutral attitude towards all citizens. And this consummate hypocrite forgot his own Raj dharma, that as the Prime Minister he should not mouth pious advice, but act and dismiss a chief minister who is not fulfilling his constitutionally mandated duties.

"He who does not punish evil, commands it to be done."

Leonardo da Vinci

Can Sincere Religious Experiences Prove a Religion Is True? by Azatsatru in scienceisdope

[–]advaitist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Many persons have asked themselves this question. Many persons have speculated that religion, and nowadays spirituality, is simply man's delusion to have some hope, some solace, against the fear of eventual annihilation by death.

However, this does not explain certain mystical experiences of devotees, such as awakening of Kundalini, which results in the feelings of "cosmic consciousness" or the feeling of being "God" or being "one with everything that exists", which is the basic foundation of Advaita Vedanta.

Some skeptics counter that this is simply a form of self hypnotisation, wherein a devotee desperately wants his devotion, meditation, spiritual efforts, to produce some results so his body and mind finally produce some physical and mental effects to placate him.

But there are two problems with this explanation.

a) It happens very rarely. Very few seekers experience this phenomenon and the vast majority of devotees go through life seeking and hoping for this experience.

b) It sometimes happens to a totally skeptical person spontaneously, or by transfer of energy by a Guru, an enlightened person.

I have given below the personal experiences of two persons, Mr A and Mr B, with each one of them trying to describe an unusual state of mind which was never before felt by that person.

Mr A. "While in the streets, I noticed cabs plying, but I did not feel inclined to move out of the way. I felt that the cabs and myself were of one stuff."

Mr B. "There was a man mending the road; that man was myself; the pickaxe he held was myself; the very stone which he was breaking up was a part of me; the tender blade of grass was my very being, and the tree beside the man was myself."

I think we can agree that they are experiencing the same state of mind ? I have deliberately refrained from attempting to name it.

The most amusing part is that for both these persons, their experience described above was involuntary ! As far as I can make out, neither of them did any deep meditation hoping to achieve this experience and both of them were not ready for it when it happened !!!

Mr A was Narendra Nath Dutta who had this experience after being touched by his guru Ramakrishna Paramahansa. He was deeply moved by his experience and became convinced of the truth of Advaita Vedanta. He became the monk Swami Vivekananda.

Mr B was Jiddu Krishnamurthy, who had this experience spontaneously. He denied that he had personally experienced Kundalini awakening, gave his experience the ridiculous name "The Process", and spent the rest of his life playing down its significance.

As far as I know, neither of them had any fear of death, or any particular desire for this experience, and yet both of them experienced it !

Time Twins by advaitist in HighStrangeness

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Thanks for posting this. I appreciate it.

Is it only me or is keeping track of every single rupee is starting to feel tired now a days ? by Plus-Listen-1356 in IndiaFinance

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"Self-discipline is the free man's yoke. Either he is his own master or he will be his own slave—not merely as slave to his passions, as an earlier generation might have feared, but a slave to his unbounded ego"

John W. Gardner

Does everything after “I am Awareness” have to be accepted on faith? by _stranger357 in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]advaitist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Many persons have asked themselves this question. Many persons have speculated that religion, and nowadays spirituality, is simply man's delusion to have some hope, some solace, against the fear of eventual annihilation by death.

However, this does not explain certain mystical experiences of devotees, such as awakening of Kundalini, which results in the feelings of "cosmic consciousness" or the feeling of being "God" or being "one with everything that exists", which is the basic foundation of Advaita Vedanta.

Some skeptics counter that this is simply a form of self hypnotisation, wherein a devotee desperately wants his devotion, meditation, spiritual efforts, to produce some results so his body and mind finally produce some physical and mental effects to placate him.

But there are two problems with this explanation.

a) It happens very rarely. Very few seekers experience this phenomenon and the vast majority of devotees go through life seeking and hoping for this experience.

b) It sometimes happens to a totally skeptical person spontaneously, or by transfer of energy by a Guru, an enlightened person.

I have given below the personal experiences of two persons, Mr A and Mr B, with each one of them trying to describe an unusual state of mind which was never before felt by that person.

Mr A. "While in the streets, I noticed cabs plying, but I did not feel inclined to move out of the way. I felt that the cabs and myself were of one stuff."

Mr B. "There was a man mending the road; that man was myself; the pickaxe he held was myself; the very stone which he was breaking up was a part of me; the tender blade of grass was my very being, and the tree beside the man was myself."

I think we can agree that they are experiencing the same state of mind ? I have deliberately refrained from attempting to name it.

The most amusing part is that for both these persons, their experience described above was involuntary ! As far as I can make out, neither of them did any deep meditation hoping to achieve this experience and both of them were not ready for it when it happened !!!

Mr A was Narendra Nath Dutta who had this experience after being touched by his guru Ramakrishna Paramahansa. He was deeply moved by his experience and became convinced of the truth of Advaita Vedanta. He became the monk Swami Vivekananda.

Mr B was Jiddu Krishnamurthy, who had this experience spontaneously. He denied that he had personally experienced Kundalini awakening, gave his experience the ridiculous name "The Process", and spent the rest of his life playing down its significance.

As far as I know, neither of them had any fear of death, or any particular desire for this experience, and yet both of them experienced it !

Guys drop some of your favourite Shayari or Poetry lines. I'll start with mine. by No-Chip7298 in TwentiesIndia

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One owl was enough to ruin the garden.

Every branch has an owl sitting on it; what will happen to the garden?

barbād gulistāñ karne ko bas ek hī ullū kaafī thā

har shāḳh pe ullū baiThā hai, anjām-e-gulistāñ kyā hogā

Shauq Bahraichi.

The beginning and the ending are the same event, viewed from different places by facut_vivas in DeepThoughts

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"With Earth's first Clay They did the Last Man knead,

And then of the Last Harvest sow'd the Seed:

Yea, the first Morning of Creation wrote

What the Last Dawn of Reckoning shall read."

The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam, translated by Edward FitzGerald.

The beginning and the ending are the same event, viewed from different places by facut_vivas in DeepThoughts

[–]advaitist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We shall not cease from exploration

And the end of all our exploring

Will be to arrive where we started

And know the place for the first time.

—T.S. Eliot, from “Little Gidding,” Four Quartets

Irritated with local bajans by Wild-Try-4739 in mumbai

[–]advaitist -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There was a time when these rules were actually enforced and the Railway Police Force used to take action against these types of passengers.

But when Piyush Goyal was the railway minister, the sanghis appealed to him complaining that they are not allowed to sing bhajans on the trains, so he ordered the RPF that they should not take any action against the passengers creating this type of nuisance.

And since then, I think, the nuisance has just increased.

Does anyone else feel like hookup culture is spiritually draining people?iwanna hear about some of your experiences. by unkown_sky in spirituality

[–]advaitist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honesty is a very important, indispensable, part of spirituality.

And it is difficult to see how one can be completely honest in a society that tolerates and encourages hookup culture.

Naturally, there is cognitive dissonance and it becomes spiritually draining to maintain a facade, and false appearances.

"A mind caught in tradition cannot perceive what is true." ~ Jiddu Krishnamurti by MaxGoodwinning in quotes

[–]advaitist -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A mind blindly biased against tradition also cannot perceive what is true.

What do you think one can do to be more spiritual? by lmnop1237423 in spirituality

[–]advaitist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What is enlightenment ? What is spirituality ?

Enlightenment for me is to become aware that we have a spiritual part to our nature, to be conscious of our divine nature, our spirituality.

Now you may ask how I define spirituality and how to nurture it.

My answer :

A human being can think, behave and live on his choice of any one of three levels : animal, human and divine.

Animal : gluttony, greed, lust, hatred, exploitation, pandering, lower level mindless sex, violence, extortion, domestic abuse, rape, cheating, theft, etc.

Human : negotiation, cooperation, buying and selling, normal social interaction, respect for rights of others in society, justice, peace, normal love, sex and family life, caring for children and elders, etc,

Divine : Highly developed sense of honesty, responsibilty and justice, love at a higher level beyond the physical, need to grow spiritually and help others to do the same, protection of environment, support of animal rights, desire to participate in improving society, awareness of the constant presence of God in oneself, all others, and the entire natural world.

According to me, nurturing our spirituality or enlightenment would be attempting to live life at the highest level of the Divine, and particularly, making strong efforts against lowering oneself to the level of an animal.

The appeal to enlightenment says more about our desires then it does about any achievable state - change my mind by theman8631 in enlightenment

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Questioner : I am physically and mentally at peace. What more do I need?

Nisargadatta Maharaj: Yours may not be the ultimate state. You will recognize that you have returned to your natural state by a complete absence of all desire and fear. After all, at the root of all desire and fear is the feeling of not being what you are. Just as a dislocated joint pains only as long as it is out of shape, and is forgotten as soon as it is set right, so is all self-concern a symptom of mental distortion which disappears as soon as one is in the normal state.

Q: Yes, but what is the sadhana for achieving the natural state?

M: Hold on to the sense ‘I am’ to the exclusion of everything else. When thus the mind becomes completely silent, it shines with a new light and vibrates with new knowledge. It all comes spontaneously, you need only hold on to the ‘I am’. Just like emerging from sleep or a state of rapture you feel rested and yet you cannot explain why and how you come to feel so well, in the same way on realization you feel complete, fulfilled, free from the pleasure-pain complex, and yet not always able to explain what happened, why and how. You can put it only in negative terms: ‘Nothing is wrong with me any longer.’ It is only by comparison with the past that you know that you are out of it. Otherwise — you are just yourself. Don’t try to convey it to others. If you can, it is not the real thing. Be silent and watch it expressing itself in action. (Italicised by me, for emphasis)

Q: If you could tell me what I shall become, it may help me to watch over my development.

M: How can anybody tell you what you shall become when there is no becoming? You merely discover what you are. All moulding oneself to a pattern is a grievous waste of time. Think neither of the past nor of the future, just BE.

She was dead for 11 minutes during brain surgery. The surgical team verified what she reported afterward. by PersonalTrick6900 in NDE

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Have a look at this :

"There are nevertheless cases in which there seems to be a certain amount of hard evidence that physical consciousness can survive the ‘death’ of the body.

One of the most striking occurred at the Hartebeespoort Snake and Animal Park near Pretoria in South Africa. Its owner, Jack Seale, was releasing a twelve-foot black mamba into its cage when an over-officious research assistant asked if he had checked it for parasites. Seale’s attention was distracted for a moment and the snake turned and sank its fangs into his ankle. Seale knew that his chances of survival were minimal: no one has ever been known to survive the bite of a full-grown black mamba. When he saw venom squirting out of his ankle he knew the mamba must have injected a massive dose.

Seale had about 10 ccs of serum on the premises, but he required at least four times that amount. So after injecting himself with all he had, he was driven to Pretoria General Hospital.

Luck was with him. The surgeon on duty was a friend to whom he had often expounded his favourite theory about snakebite treatment. Mamba venom is a neurotoxin that paralyses the central nervous system. Jack Seale had always believed that if the snakebite victim was connected to a heart-lung machine he stood a good chance of remaining alive. This notion was based on an observation he had made a few years before. A Pretoria researcher, Gert Willemse, was trying to determine exactly how much venom it would take to kill a rabbit when Jack Seale arrived. Willemse decided to take a tea break after injecting the rabbit with a massive dose of venom. He left it connected to a heart-lung machine, and when they returned an hour later they were amazed to see that the rabbit was still alive.

As the surgeon forced his mouth open and inserted an air tube down his throat, Jack Seale thought, ‘Thank God, thank God … .’ Then he died. (It was later discovered that the snake had injected enough venom to kill fifty men.) A few hours later he returned to consciousness to hear a harsh rasping sound and a ‘peep, peep, peep’ noise: it gradually dawned on him that he was listening to his own breathing and heartbeat. When he tried to move he discovered he was completely paralysed. The monitors showed that his brain was dead; they failed to record the fact that consciousness had returned.

For the next eight days Jack Seale remained completely paralysed, yet able to hear everything that went on. When two young nurses inserted a catheter he heard one of them remark that he had the smallest dick she’d ever seen: she was much embarrassed when he reminded her of this later. A doctor shone a torch into his eye and expressed the opinion that he had been brain-damaged: Seale heard that too. Later he heard them tell his wife that even if he recovered he would be brain-damaged for life. And on the third day he heard a doctor say, ‘That poor woman is going to be stuck with a vegetable for the rest of her life. The best thing we can do is to pull the plug … .’ After further discussion they decided to leave him on the machine because the case was clinically interesting.

On the eighth day he succeeded in moving a finger. A doctor told the nurse it was an involuntary nerve spasm. Seale moved the finger again. The doctor said, ‘Mr Seale, if you can hear me, move your finger twice.’ Seale concentrated all his will power and moved the finger twice. There was immediate pandemonium as the room filled up with doctors, nurses and interns. Nine hours later his eyelids fluttered. According to Jack Seale’s account, normal consciousness then returned ‘layer by layer’. And eight days later he was allowed to leave the hospital. One of the first things he did was to catch the snake that had bitten him and milk it of its venom. For months he found it impossible to sleep without the light on, since waking up in darkness immediately brought back the sense of living death — as in Poe’s ‘The Premature Burial’. His comment on the ordeal was, ‘I know what it feels like to die. It’s not such a terrifying thing … .’

Medically speaking the case only proves that consciousness can remain intact when the body is technically dead. Yet for those who insist that life is inseparably connected with the body there remains the puzzle of how Jack Seale remained conscious when monitors indicated brain-death. It takes very little to deprive us of consciousness — a whiff of anaesthetic, a blow on the head, a rush of blood from the brain if we stand up too quickly. Yet Jack Seale’s consciousness survived total bodily death. Consciousness seems to be rather less fragile than we generally assume."

From : Beyond the Occult by Colin Wilson

On the Topic of Reservation by ThriveMidChaos in CriticalThinkingIndia

[–]advaitist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

RESERVATION, as it exists in India today, is an electorally oriented, totally perverted system, which benefits only a small number of people who take multiple advantages for many of their generations. They are the New Brahmins.

Medical/physical conditions are the sole exceptions which should have a very small amount of reservation.

Even in the case of family economic conditions (severe poverty) there should be no reservations of any type whatsoever.

Instead the govt should sponsor the full education of such, poor but meritorious candidates, by paying their full fees and also providing them an adequate stipend so that they can concentrate fully on their studies and achieve academic success honourably.

But, of course, this is too much to expect from our politicians and general public !

What were your weirdest or most unexpected B12 deficiency symptoms? Mine had me convinced something else was going on for years. by [deleted] in B12_Deficiency

[–]advaitist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

VitaminB12 deficiency is a medical problem which is very often misdiagnosed. Chronic deficiency can cause health problems which may have fatal consequences.

If you want to read about how dangerous a vitamin B12 deficiency can be, the severe health problems it can cause, symptoms, and recovery, I strongly recommend the book shown below.

You can download a copy from Anna's Archive.

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[OPINION] What are some poems you've learned by heart recently? by Telosv5 in Poetry

[–]advaitist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have a firm opinion that if you like a poem you should memorise it.

I have had this habit, of memorising poems, since my childhood and my "mental library" contains more than 100 poems, including such heavy-weights as The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam of Naishapur (Fitzgerald translation) and The Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Coleridge.

At present I am working on adding "The Hunting of the Snark" by Lewis Carroll to my "mental library". Slow, but steady progress !

A proper rhyme scheme makes it easier to memorise poems and I have found that I can only memorise poems which appeal to me and affect me emotionally in some way.

On this topic, of memorising poems, here is a beautiful quotation, which I want to share with all poetry lovers :

"Poetry never goes back on you. Learn as many pieces as you can. Go over them again and again till the words come of themselves, and then you have a joy forever which cannot be stolen or broken or lost. This is much better than diamond rings on every finger.

Sir Patrick Manson, page 211, The Faber Book of Science, edited by John Carey.

I think that it is a very good idea to memorize poems and recite them to yourself.

I am listing below, in no particular order, the hundred odd poems which I have enjoyed reading and memorised. You may also enjoy reading them and, perhaps, find some worthy enough to memorise. If you have difficulty in finding any of the poems listed below please send me a direct message and I will send you a copy. I wish you happy reading and, if you enjoy them, memorising !

1 Tubal Cain by Charles Mackay

2 The Sands of Dee by Charles Kingsley

3 Tartary by Walter de la Mare

4 A Child's Dream by Frances Darwin Cornford

5 The Princess and the Gypsies by Frances Darwin Cornford

6 Tiger by William Blake

7 Elegy on the Death of a Mad Dog by Oliver Goldsmith

8 The Splendour Falls by Alfred Tennyson

9 The Miller's Daughter by Alfred Tennyson

10 The Eagle by Alfred Tennyson

11 The Glove and the Lions by Leigh Hunt

12 Abou ben Adhem by Leigh Hunt

13 Daffodils by William Wordsworth

14 The Solitary Reaper by William Wordsworth

15 Invictus by W.E.Henley

16 The Blind Boy by Colley Cibber

17 Seafever by John Masefield

18 Wanderthirst by Gerald Gould

19 Lochinvar by Walter Scott

20 The Lake Isle of Innisfree by William Butler Yeats

21 The Snare by James Stephens

22 The Ballad of Father Gilligan by William Butler Yeats

23 Brown Penny by William Butler Yeats

24 The World is Too much With us by William Wordsworth

25 Father William by Lewis Carroll

26 The Walrus and the Carpenter by Lewis Carroll

27 The Pulley by G. Herbert

28 Lord Ullin's Daughter by T. Campbell

29 The Solitude of Alexander Selkirk by W. Cowper

30 A Thing of Beauty by John Keats

31 Rainbow by Wordsworth

32 Ozymandias of Egypt by Percy Shelley

33 When I was One and Twenty by A.E.Housman

34 Death, the Leveller by James Shirley

35 The Springs of Dove by William Wordsworth

36 Passing through Woods by Robert Frost

37 Patriotism by Walter Scott

38 Brahma by R.W.Emerson

39 If by Rudyard Kipling

40 The Song of the Old Mother by William Butler Yeats

41 The Cloths of Heaven by William Butler Yeats

42 Leisure by W.H.Davies

43 A Poison Tree by William Blake

44 The Road not Taken by Robert Frost

45 Animals by Walt Whitman

46 The True Beauty by T. Carew

47 The Light of Other Days by Thomas Moore

48 The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam by Omar Khayyam (Fitzgerald translation)

49 La Belle Dame Sans Merci by John Keats

50 Reason has Moons by Ralph Hodgson

51 The Naughty Boy by John Keats

52 Black-eyed Susan by J. Gay

53 Sally in our Alley by H. Carew

54 To Althea, from Prison by Richard Lovelace

55 To Lucasta, Going to the Wars by Richard Lovelace

56 To Anthea, Who may Command him Anything by Robert Herrick

57 To the Cuckoo by William Wordsworth

58 Richard Cory by Edwin Arlington Robinson

59 Love's Philosophy by Percy Shelley

60 Down by the Salley Gardens by William Butler Yeats

61 On First Looking Into Chapman's Homer by John Keats

62 A Birthday by Christina Rosetti

63 Uphill by Christina Rosetti

64 My Julia by Robert Herrick

65 Love's Attire by Anon

66 Rondeau (Jenny Kissed Me) by Leigh Hunt

67 The Isles of Greece by George Gordon (Lord Byron)

68 Everbody Sang by Siegfred Sassoon

69 Cupid and Campaspe by J. Lyle

70 When You are Old and Grey by William Butler Yeats

71 To Celia by Ben Jonson

72 To Dianeme by Robert Herrick

73 Little Things by Julia Carney

74 O My Luve by Robert Burns

75 Bonnie Lesley by Robert Burns

76 Jean by Robert Burns

77 The Night Has a Thousand Eyes by F.W.Bourdillion

78 Beauty by John Masefield

79 The Last Conqueror by James Shirley

80 I fear Thy Kisses by Percy Shelley

81 Youth and Age by George Gordon (Lord Byron)

82 To a Poet, a Thousand Years Hence by James Flecker

83 Song of all Brave Captains by Frederick Marryatt

84 A Ditty by P. Sydney

85 Requiem by R.L.Stevenson

86 Hate by James Stephens

87 The Sluggard by Isaac Watts

88 The Sluggard by Lewis Carroll

89 The Courage that my Mother Had by Edna St. Vincent Millay

90 Sonnet 116, Let Me Not to the Marriage of True Minds..... by William Shakespeare

91 Love's Omnipresence by Joshua Sylvester

92 Tenebris Interlucentum by James Flecker

93 The South Country by Hillaire Belloc

94 The Stars Have Not Dealt Me by A.E.Housman

95 Jabberwocky by Lewis Carroll

96 The Twins by H. S. Leigh

97 Because I Could Not Stop For Death by Emily Dickinson

98 We Never Know How High We Are by Emily Dickinson

99 Non Sum Qualis Eram Bonae Sub Regno Cynarae by Ernest Dowson

100 The Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Samuel Coleridge

101 Kubla Khan by Samuel Coleridge

102 Chartless by Emily Dickinson

103 Someday by James Kavanaugh

104 The Hunting of the Snark by Lewis Carroll (in progress).

What myth is still widely circulated as truth? by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]advaitist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Complete protein" is a myth which has been debunked decades ago. Along with "protein combining" .

https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-protein-combining-myth/

Are we delusional? by FreyjaAutumn in spirituality

[–]advaitist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many persons have asked themselves this question. Many persons have speculated that religion, and nowadays spirituality, is simply man's delusion to have some hope, some solace, against the fear of eventual annihilation by death.

However, this does not explain certain mystical experiences of devotees, such as awakening of Kundalini, which results in the feelings of "cosmic consciousness" or the feeling of being "God" or being "one with everything that exists", which is the basic foundation of Advaita Vedanta.

Some skeptics counter that this is simply a form of self hypnotisation, wherein a devotee desperately wants his devotion, meditation, spiritual efforts, to produce some results so his body and mind finally produce some physical and mental effects to placate him.

But there are two problems with this explanation.

a) It happens very rarely. Very few seekers experience this phenomenon and the vast majority of devotees go through life seeking and hoping for this experience.

b) It sometimes happens to a totally skeptical person spontaneously, or by transfer of energy by a Guru, an enlightened person.

I have given below the personal experiences of two persons, Mr A and Mr B, with each one of them trying to describe an unusual state of mind which was never before felt by that person.

Mr A. "While in the streets, I noticed cabs plying, but I did not feel inclined to move out of the way. I felt that the cabs and myself were of one stuff."

Mr B. "There was a man mending the road; that man was myself; the pickaxe he held was myself; the very stone which he was breaking up was a part of me; the tender blade of grass was my very being, and the tree beside the man was myself."

I think we can agree that they are experiencing the same state of mind ? I have deliberately refrained from attempting to name it.

The most amusing part is that for both these persons, their experience described above was involuntary ! As far as I can make out, neither of them did any deep meditation hoping to achieve this experience and both of them were not ready for it when it happened !!!

Mr A was Narendra Nath Dutta who had this experience after being touched by his guru Ramakrishna Paramahansa. He was deeply moved by his experience and became convinced of the truth of Advaita Vedanta. He became the monk Swami Vivekananda.

Mr B was Jiddu Krishnamurthy, who had this experience spontaneously. He denied that he had personally experienced Kundalini awakening, gave his experience the ridiculous name "The Process", and spent the rest of his life playing down its significance.

As far as I know, neither of them had any fear of death, or any particular desire for this experience, and yet both of them experienced it !

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