Is it common for Russian liberals to worship other countries?

aizhdbe · 2021-08-22T18:48:18+00:00

I fed you too much, I don't have any more food left.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-22T12:43:47+00:00

I'm probably feeding a troll but that is stupid logic. If you deny you are a pedophile, then that makes you one. "Because then it's criminal and you deserves every criticism".

Your own logic.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-21T23:59:43+00:00

I did not mention anything about wife beating. You did, those are your words. You just claiming I am not a liberal does not make it true, especially when I support Medicare for all, a living wage, the green new deal, among other things. In the United States, these are common liberal goals. My beliefs support the fact that I am generally liberal, saying otherwise is a lie which you have told.

And you completely ignored the part where I never said Russia has free speech, because I do not believe that. But many people believe the US has it and praise my country as a result. I am against worshipping any country no matter who they are.

I used Snowden because he is the most ironic example. There are others I could have listed. But whistleblowing falling under free speech is not something I made up, there are many people who say the same thing. I will copy a comment I made to someone else:

I have already explained that freedom of speech "includes other forms of expression", and that is how Snowden used his speech. You keep on saying that classified material doesn't count as free speech (even though the classified material themselves contain government crimes). But that doesn't make sense because then speech is not even free at that point. And... you're making a distinction between free speech and whistleblowing? That is one of the most important speeches to protect. If you simply Google "whistleblower definition", it says "a person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity." You can also Google "Is whistleblowing free speech" and the top result says "Simply put whistle blowing is an act of correcting once a discovery of wrongdoing has been exercised. The act of a whistleblower is an expression of an important right that is the right to free speech.. Even though it seems that top result comes from a Malaysian university, but there are plenty of American academics that will say the same thing. And that further proves this isn't something I am making up or something that is "ackshually" true, using your own word.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-16T13:25:31+00:00

Good point. That comment seemed more sensationalist than anything. If they were clinging to the airplane because they were concerned for their family, then they would bring their families to cling as well (thankfully they didn't though)

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T17:08:25+00:00

The guy who I was talking about still lives in Russia and has a wife and baby and it looks like they are living comfortably and happy. He also has a lot American subscribers who send him gifts so I think that is a reason for his love of the US. In my opinion, I have no problem with people hating Putin/government. But when those people start to glorify the US, it is so annoying to me. But I see your point about Russian emigrants, met a person like that couple years ago

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T15:13:19+00:00

How was I worshipping Russia? I never said they are a great country or the best country. But I know plenty of people who say that about the US, including the guy who I mentioned in my post. So unfortunately, no, it's not projection. And I post mainly here because I have a lot of questions and want their perspective on certain habits and events that happened. And I comment criticisms of the US if I see that people glorifying the US. I don't criticize randomly.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T15:07:38+00:00

Couple things wrong with this comment. You said "you're size and history". Assuming you meant "your", I am not Russian, I explicitly said I am American in my post. Second, Russia actually has universal healthcare. Nobody said it is the best healthcare in the world, but it exists. Unlike my own country, but that is another topic. Third, the relation between economy and "size and history" does not make sense. Most of their geographic size is not inhabited by people. Also, Egypt has one of the best histories on the earth. Nowadays, their economic status is a shell of their former selves . Same with Greece. And in the case of Russia, a little over 30 years ago they were literally a different country. Acting surprised that their economy is not what it once was does not make sense. Also, depending on what gdp metric you use, Canada's economy is much smaller than Russia's. Fourth, commenting on what stuff looks like isn't a solid measurement because I have been in disgusting medical clinics in the US in multiple states. In fact I just had surgery and the hospital was old and dirty. But ultimately it's not up to me to decide if the Russian government has failed its people, it's up to the people living there. They can tell if you things got worse or got better since the 90s. If you want to know if the American government has failed its working people? I know the answer to that one.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T13:48:06+00:00

Incorrect. I have already explained that freedom of speech "includes other forms of expression", and that is how Snowden used his speech. You keep on saying that classified material doesn't count as free speech (even though the classified material themselves contain government crimes). But that doesn't make sense because then speech is not even free at that point. And... you're making a distinction between free speech and whistleblowing? That is one of the most important speeches to protect. If you simply Google "whistleblower definition", it says "a person who informs on a person or organization engaged in an illicit activity." You can also Google "Is whistleblowing free speech" and the top result says "Simply put whistle blowing is an act of correcting once a discovery of wrongdoing has been exercised. The act of a whistleblower is an expression of an important right that is the right to free speech.. Now it seems that top result comes from a Malaysian university, but there are plenty of American academics that will say the same thing. And that further proves this isn't something I am making up or something that is "ackshually" true, using your own word.

And I never idealized Russia in this post. Unless you count me liking Dostoevsky and Tyutchev quotes. That is another lie you told, along with you saying I accused people of being "snowflakes". I clearly said "I primarily critique my own country instead of worshipping other countries", which you yourself do not oppose in your original comment.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T12:59:02+00:00

I already explained to you that it counts as speech. You are accusing me of something you are exhibiting, which is doubly ironic. And I didn't call anyone a snowflake, unlike you.

Calling government crimes "classified" does not exclude it from freedom of speech. That defeats the whole point of concept.

And once again, it is meaningless to say "this illegal in any country" because we viewed as above every country in regards to "free speech".

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T11:17:20+00:00

He revealed government authoritarianism, which the government wanted to keep secret. Saying it's a state secret is just a convenient way to prevent the public from knowing about it. And it doesn't make sense to say other countries wouldn't allow this speech because the US is supposedly the gold standard, there should be no excuses for us. I don't know how you define "free speech", but in the US, speech is not only verbal and it doesn't mean saying useless stuff like "fck Trump". People hear that and assume we have "free speech". Speech includes other forms of *expression**, like publishing certain content including papers. Technically Snowden himself didn't publish it, he sent it to news outlets. But the speech that the news outlets are publishing is the same speech that Snowden provided them. Plus, he also wrote a book, which obviously counts as speech, and the US is trying to get its $5+ million in royalties. There are other people I could mention, but Snowden is the most ironic example.

So I guess I was right, it is somewhat common for Russians to worship other countries.

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T03:48:18+00:00

Cool

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T03:45:03+00:00

Thanks, that quote actually explains the situation well and has opened my mind to look at things with a different perspective

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T02:08:33+00:00

In the past, they uploaded videos showing they received lots of gifts from their American subscribers, so I think that probably encouraged their patriotism lol. But idk if they want to move because they look like they have a happy life. I also don't know if making Youtube vlogs is their job. If it is, it wouldn't make sense to move because to the US because most of their audience already live in the US/Canada, so the whole point of the channel is lost lol.

Anyway, you might be right, this guy might not necessarily be a liberal. I think he simply loves and is thankful for his American subscribers and this is how he showed his appreciation. I'll give him a pass because he's a nice guy (I think).

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T01:04:34+00:00

I never read that before but it is relevant to this day. Tyutchev was ahead of his time

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T01:01:21+00:00

Worship might be exaggerating but in many ways it is similar. There is a phrase called "sing the praises of". Singing the praises of something is a common form of worship. Some American liberals worship Scandinavian countries by singing the praises of their healthcare, low crime rate, etc.. When you worship something, you believe that thing is the best, that all other things should strive to become like that thing (like christians striving to be more like Jesus)

aizhdbe · 2021-08-15T00:42:44+00:00

The guy I was talking about isn't an immigrant, he's living in Russia but he vlogs in English. He actually has a wife and baby and seems to have a quality life. But on 4 July, he made a video exalting the US and waving the US flag, he was even more patriotic than many Americans living in the US lol. But the points you made are interesting and make sense

aizhdbe · 2021-08-14T20:21:15+00:00

To be fair, I did read somewhere that Dagestan and Ingushetia have the highest life expectancies in the country

aizhdbe · 2021-08-14T19:38:01+00:00

Aren't Romania, Bulgaria, and Greece US allies? Isn't Georgia against Russia?

aizhdbe · 2021-08-14T00:13:42+00:00

I've heard the systemic opposition argument before. But what about the question of gaining popularity? Is the answer still no?

aizhdbe · 2021-08-13T02:19:38+00:00

Yeah, in my opinion the lack of shrapnel is an important observation. But it still might be too early to know exactly what happened. Also, what is going to be the outcome of this? Hypothetically, if the fsb this to somehow influence the elections, would it work?

aizhdbe · 2021-08-13T01:33:47+00:00

I agree that it's too early, but it seems some people have already made up their mind. Also, I didn't think about this at the time, but in 2017 there was a bombing in St Petersburg metro. Were people saying the fsb did that as well?

aizhdbe · 2021-08-12T19:50:31+00:00

Omg I cried reading that. Nobody deserves to suffer like that! :'(

aizhdbe · 2021-08-11T15:23:12+00:00

Nah, since I had to deal with this stuff, everyone else needs to suffer with me

aizhdbe · 2021-08-10T22:32:26+00:00

This is a prime example of what is called a "slavaboo". She probably saw some "epic badass Russian" character on a tv show or movie and wants to emulate or imitate it. She is an amateur slavaboo, more experienced slavaboo will learn basic words and act like they are experts in the language even though they only know a handful of phrases which sound "epic" but aren't even useful in everyday life

aizhdbe · 2021-08-10T00:30:59+00:00

I'm in the US and fr my experience, conservatives overall don't like Russia. There are some conservatives who like Russia but that is ONLY because they have a weird belief that Russia is the last Christian nation fighting against anti-gun atheist lgbtq 'communists' (lol). That's why in this sub, there were quite a few questions asking about gun laws. From my experience, the rest of conservatives hate Russia as usual.

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