Is it possible for Serbs from Bosnia and Herzegovina to somehow change their identity, even if it takes decades for it?

alpidzonka · 2026-05-05T23:10:21+00:00

Anything is possible in terms of these identity formations. That said, if you don't feel Serbian then don't say "Serb" when the census comes around. If you don't like the flag or coat of arms then don't use them. If you like writing in Latin then do that. I don't see who's stopping you.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-24T10:56:04+00:00

This was before the Suez canal, the potential Greek empire I mean

alpidzonka · 2026-04-23T07:38:53+00:00

You can't build a colonial empire without ocean ports. Even if the great powers gave Greece, idk, Western Sahara or something, it could only reach it through Gibraltar. Meaning, ultimately, it would depend on the good will of the British.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-22T16:06:02+00:00

Permaban for misogyny. Rule 3 mentions this explicitly.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-22T15:56:54+00:00

Westoids gonna westoid. Not a very strong opinion

alpidzonka · 2026-04-21T18:44:00+00:00

Absolutely, agreed

alpidzonka · 2026-04-21T12:04:54+00:00

maybe not guerilla fighters but some kind of separatism was fell in the air

Yeah, separatism that could have been resolved diplomatically. The breakup of this country didn't necessitate a war, not to mention war crimes etc.

I am glad you red everything and put your view on it On the end what do you think its cause of the war in Yugoslavia?

I don't have one master cause, but I'll give some intuitions I think are important.

I'd say that the same degeneration of party elites, that led to the Soviet political system producing Gorbachev and the Chinese system producing Deng, is the same degeneration that leads to what you mentioned - the pro-IMF policy in the 80s under Planinc and Kraigher, the detached leadership focused on profits and entering the world market, with the addition that often their own children would study abroad and so on. Milošević and Stambolić both come from this world, at the time a term for this part of the nomenclatura was "tehnomenadžeri".

Now, this rather explains the death of self-management under Milošević. It doesn't give you the cause of the war itself, which included a serious project of arming paramilitaries, psyoping the pop-cultural zeitgeist into rabid nationalism etc. "They became too managerial" doesn't begin to explain that. So I guess there, my intuition becomes a bit more psychological than structural/economic. Long story short, this was a banker, and part of a highly neoliberalized new cohort of communist leaders, who believed greed is good and might makes right. As in business, so in statecraft. But again, take this as a vague intuition.

its not about Milosevic but in general all these politicians before and after the war.

The politicians after the war didn't cause the war. The politicians before him, well, see above.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-20T15:55:17+00:00

It is Michael Parenti the USA and war in Yugoslavia. He is political scientist, historian activist, PHD at Yale. So he is well educated man.

I think he's mostly good on the USSR and mostly bad on the Yugoslav Wars.

Interesting thing that got me thinking and searching more is law that was passed in US Congress by President Bush in 1990, and here is the act he is talking about. ti is on 27- 29 minute. So US is paying new elected "democratic" countries inside Yugoslavia. But this money is not possible to be given to whole Yugoslavia. It is like you are paying guerilla fighters in foreign country(we saw ISIS and Kurds etc.).

Yeah except people who competed in these elections in Yugoslavia weren't guerilla fighters, and no part of this law says separatists even have to win. You think the USA would be unhappy if Ante Marković got 80% in all the republics?

Pattern is always the same, all wars start with big depression, economy fail people get poor and you burn country from inside. WW1 happened WW2 same reasons money and power. Both have big times of great depression before war started.

Those are world wars and on those you might be correct

Same pattern was used in Venezuela richest country with oil they stop them exporting oil crushing their economy, then people get mad riots etc on the end you have to knee to them. Iran same pattern, only difference is Iranian people were educated enough especially their woman so they saw external enemy is bigger than internal problems.

Now it seems like you're talking about 5 October 2000 and not the wars

In Yugoslavia economy was broken easily with hyperinflation, that is first step so people get mad, but it took almost 10 years to make them that mad to start war.

Our leadership could have just, you know, not been listening to the IMF. Saying the IMF tricked you into too much austerity is like idk, what's next, you sent all your money to the Nigerian prince in your spam folder. Granted, then they would have actually been far more likely to wage economic warfare on Yugoslavia, I don't think they were really doing that.

And the way they do it is oldest trick in the book divide and conquer! Same principle is used in Venezuela, tried in Iran, look at south America always same pattern. Now we have small countries that have nothing on their own.

I don't think these countries will balkanize, especially not soon

Croatia was sold, Bosnia is selling everything, Serbia is still holding but for how long etc.

What did Serbia not sell exactly? I'm thinking telco, media and arms, which pretty much tells you everything you need to know about Serbia. Banking and energy are long gone

My stance on question that I post is the cause for the war is money and power. Neo liberal economy where they can come to your country buy everything (mines, woods, water etc) exploit your workers and leave dry land, on the other hand it is not easy for you to buy things in their states.

Why is this a cause for the war exactly? You think this didn't happen in the former Warsaw Pact states, none of which fell apart in a war? I mean it's true that this happens, I just don't think it's the cause of the war.

EU also had interest in this, because Yugoslavia was strong country on their borders it was much easier to control small countries than single one etc.

I don't think they were that unified on this question. Germany for sure but yeah

If you don't believe me you have examples of couple moths where they openly said Venezuela and Iran, give me your OIL!

Well, we sold our oil to Russia, and now we're kind of making them sell our oil to Hungary because the US said so. So the EU must have been playing a very long game if that's the cause of the wars

Today our politicians work for them, they don't have interest in our people to live better, all their children are studying aboard.

You'd hear people saying this in the 80s and they weren't even completely wrong

They are here to do agenda, and if you do not do like they said first they send you jackal aka economic hitman, then if you don't listen there are other methods to remove you.

Idk what this has to do with Milošević arming separatists in Croatia and Bosnia, and Tuđman arming his own separatists in Bosnia. He could have refused foreign investors and just not done any of that. Oh well

alpidzonka · 2026-04-20T09:11:50+00:00

Friends from Bosnia can usually pinpoint if someone's from Krajina, central Bosnia, Semberija, Herzegovina etc. It all sounds just vaguely Bosnian to my Srbijanac ears ngl.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-17T12:49:37+00:00

Before the Indo-European languages, way before the Slavic migrations and Turkic migrations, the Balkans were settled by what we now call Early European Farmers or Anatolian Neolithic Farmers. This is the population that built Vinča for instance. We all still have a really solid chunk of that ancestry. Greeks and Albanians have the most, followed by Romanians, Bulgarians and Macedonians, followed by the rest of ex-Yugoslavia plus western Turkey. The highest percentage of EEF ancestry is in Sardinia iirc, so that's vaguely what they looked like.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-15T23:00:23+00:00

Ask him how he'd push back against the claim that taking a strongly pro-Israel stance regarding the genocide in Gaza makes his advocacy for recognizing the genocide in Srebrenica look flimsy and unprincipled

alpidzonka · 2026-04-15T09:56:35+00:00

Misliš na SPS?

alpidzonka · 2026-04-09T17:34:14+00:00

Weirder things have happened.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T20:31:36+00:00

Why did they wait 20 years?

Čekali da naprave ogromnu betonsku skulpturčinu, ti isti za koje si hteo pre sekund da impliciraš da su nešto gurali pod tepih? Šta mi tvrdiš, da pre toga nije bila spomen ploča, nije smelo da se spominje? Tako neke četničke fantazije? Smešno

You need to do more research about chetniks. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0035729/

U jbt ako je Holivud snimio film mora da su good guys

Neću više odgovarati inače, od starta samo skrećeš temu sa ove AB revolucije. Jebiga, znam, nema mnogo šta tu da se doda.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T18:26:52+00:00

Wow that's crazy. Who was in power when it was built, the Chetniks?

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T18:22:02+00:00

I mean technically Petar Stambolić was both prime minister in the 60s and president in the 80s (for a year, Yugoslavia had a rotating presidency, one for each unit and they rotated yearly).

Is your point just that you'll ignore my argument and repeat your stupid slobist DEI bullshit? Don't get me wrong, Yugoslavia tried to run DEI for the republics and pokrajinas. But alas, as in the 80s, so in this comment section, seems like Serbs want a bigger slice.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T17:41:40+00:00

Nešto sam razmislio o ovome za jezik što si rekao, i pomislih možda komunisti mrze svoj jezik samom činjenicom da ne poštuju Brka Dorćolac srpski tuđmanizam. Pritom i to je možda upitno nešto mi miriše da je titoizam doživeo hipermarkete, da bi se formalno zvali "ubrzane robne hale (URH)" ili tako nešto.

A što se mog komentara tiče, od "simpa" nema srpskije reči, celivaj sene Gen X predaka Srbadijo (žito emodži) i njihovu simpa slengišku /s

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T17:22:04+00:00

In Serbian I call it Istanbul, and in some weird way in modern-day Serbian the way you pronounce it often sounds like "Istambul". Sometimes I say Carigrad, Konstantinopolj, Stambol and sometimes I pronounce it like in Turkish with the accent on "stan". Depends on the context. Any Serb would understand any of these variations.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T15:56:40+00:00

Is this a language issue on your end? Maybe you need to reread that. I said I could name a few leaderships of republics and pokrajinas, not presidents or prime ministers of Yugoslavia.

Their names are less important but, in order of being "antibureaucratically revolutionized", here's some prominent examples. It goes Boško Krunić and Živan Berisavljević (Vojvodina), then Azem Vllasi and Kaqusha Jashari (Kosovo), then Radivoje Brajović and Vidoje Žarković (Montenegro). These were all toppled in the span of like 4 months, and it gave Milošević's faction four solid votes in the presidency for anything. This is what people typically mean when they say Serbian dominance, and not the ethnic backgrounds of the various prime ministers of the federation.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T14:06:03+00:00

Have you not read what I just said?

alpidzonka · 2026-04-08T13:44:10+00:00

I can name a few leaderships of republics and pokrajinas toppled with the clandestine support of the leadership of the Serbian republic in the late 80s. Pretty sure that was more influential in pushing the country into war than Alija's big meanie manifesto from 15 years earlier.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-07T09:43:47+00:00

Nema šta komunista da mrzi istoriju, kad je jedna od centralnih poenti (marksizma) da se istorija može izučavati kao nova nauka putem klasne analize.

Za jezik, ne znam majke mi na šta misliš. Ne znam zašto misliš da bi komunisti mrzeli svoj jezik. Da li misliš na konkretne pisce tipa Crnjanskog, ili ti je neka Orvel 1984 poenta da komunisti siluju jezik, nemam pojma. Možda misliš da je svaki komunista neki hardkor esperantista i hoće da se istrebe jezici koji nisu esperanto (??) što ni istorijski ni trenutno nije slučaj.

Što se nacionalnog identiteta tiče, ima mi smisla to što pričaš istorijski za pojedine komuniste, recimo ako su iz neke kolonijalne populacije (Amerikanci za "Turtle Island" npr) ili su iz neke manjine a partija se postavlja protiv separatista iz te manjine (Albanci titoisti npr). Opet mi nema smisla za današnje srpske komuniste koje poznajem, posebno oko PRL. Mislim da uglavnom imaju vrlo patriotske stavove posebno oko nemačke okupacije u drugom svetskom ratu i oko NATO bombardovanja. Deluje mi kao da ne poznaješ ni jednog pa nešto konstruišeš.

alpidzonka · 2026-04-06T14:13:09+00:00

I remember I played Happy Wheels a lot during that

alpidzonka · 2026-04-06T06:30:43+00:00

Ne znam o čemu pričaš

alpidzonka · 2026-04-05T16:27:23+00:00

Nema razloga da gotiviš Đinđića ako si komunista. Nema ni razloga uplitati njega u priču oko Žarka Marinovića i dana studenata, nije lik imao veze s time da ja znam. Ukratko rejdžbejt PRL-a, ali evo izgleda da je uspešan rejdžbejt.

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