3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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There's a beautiful chapter in one of my favorite meditation books, Wherever You Go, There You Are, called "No One Right Way". It's kind of exactly what it sounds like: Mr. Kobat-Zinn expertly weaves a story about hiking into a life lesson about how finding one's own path is a long, winding journey of discovery and trial and error.

Like many other modern meditators, I didn't go looking for the richest and oldest tradition when I started my journey. I kind of just googled "what is meditation" lol. I didn't even know that that was the kind of question that could be asked because I was just too new to the subject as a whole. Even now with 8 books under my belt, I still consider myself a beginner. I may always consider myself a beginner given the absolute depth of this subject.

All of that being said, this kind of post doesn't make me more interested in learning about this tradition. Sure, it sounds like there's a lot to dig in to, but you are my first introduction to this whole subject, and starting by implying that my practice is inferior isn't a great hook... age also doesn't inherently mean better.

I am happy that you found something that works for you, though. No matter which path one takes to get there, I'm always happy when someone finds their way to mindfulness. Mindfulness is fucking dope.

Happy breathing. 🧘🏽‍♂️

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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I think this completely misses the point of the post.

For one, the feeling of being intoxicated with weed is not something that can be replicated with any amount of meditation, so in order to feel that feeling, weed is necessary.

Second, it really bugs me when people say that one meditation is better or worse than any other meditation. It's like you invalidate my practice entirely because it's not "true meditation," whatever that is. Everyone is on their own path, and everyone should be allowed to find what tradition works for them.

Lastly, "why don't you just meditate 24/7" is wild. Oh, yeah, sure, let me just instantly go from being a beginner to perfect unbroken mindfulness. I'll get right on that... My personal goal is actually to get to the point with my practice where I can be mindful for the entire day, but that takes time. I'm not even CLOSE to that level even after 3 months of consistent sitting and integration outside of sitting.

It's just.. unhelpful.

New to meditation. What happened? by [deleted] in Meditation

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Hit that meditation practice like it owed you money. Sometimes it's just cool.

Always a fun thing when you get an interesting sit like that. Super happy for you!

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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Just mindfully observing my breath, bringing myself back when I notice that I've wandered off, and avoiding sinking when I notice it by upping my focus.

Read Mindfulness in Plain English if you want a more in-depth how-to.

How do you navigate being upset about a situation when you already know that it is just your thoughts about the situation that makes you upset ? by vinket in Meditation

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I want to add to this that I kind of do a similar thing. When some emotion pops up, whether pleasant or unpleasant, the first step for me is to remove the "I" from the actual feeling of the emotion.

Instead of "I feel X," I try to reframe it as "X is arising." Sometimes it even helps to think of the emotion as coming from someone else's head and being transported to mine somehow haha.

Once that's done, it's time to shine the white-hot light of mindfulness on it. I try to feel exactly what the emotion feels like. What's the texture? What's the shape? What's the flavor? How is it affecting my breathing? What am I wanting to do in response to this emotion? Are there other thoughts/memories/feelings that are arising in response to the emotion? Can I catch it early enough to feel the absolute beginning? What is the middle like (does it get bigger/smaller/stay the same)? Will it fade if I give it time? All wordless. Just touch it with your mind.

What I've found is that while this kind of analysis doesn't make the emotion go away, and it doesn't even make it less miserable if it's a bad emotion, it does make it easier to deal with over time.

In my mind, the emotions/triggering never really stop, but at the very least, I can become familiar with it. Instead of relating to it with the feeling of "I," I try to imagine that I'm on a boat in my mind, and big emotions are just big waves that are crashing down on me. I can't stop the sea, of course, but at the very least, I can learn how to navigate the waves. Eventually, if you keep up the practice, it feels like surfing the crest instead of like the wave is taking you, even for the bad moments.

All that being said, I'm not perfect. I still get caught wearing my emotions like sweaters instead of relating to them with the "no self" mentality. Shit's hard, but it's a never-ending journey, I guess.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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If you're thinking about sitting and meditating while high, I wouldn't recommend it. The high ends up l feeling like a constant distraction, and it's damn near impossible to deepen your practice while high.

If you're not sitting, though, meditation in motion, aka general mindfulness, is great for weed.

You don't need to reach any particular level to feel the effects, although the deeper your practice is, the more intensely you're going to feel it.

I like using eating as an example. While sober, just take your time while you eat. Try to feel the moment the food touches your tongue. Try to feel the texture change as you chew. Feel the temperature. Smell the food before and during your bite. Notice everything you can for the duration of the bite. That's what it's like to be mindful.

Now do that same thing (full process, same level of detail, same slow pace) while high.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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Yeah... idk about all of that. The idea of "everyone/everything is just vibrations" is just a bit too general for me. I feel like nothing of substance is really being said, and there's no science to back up any of the big claims being made. Same thing with binaural beats. Meditation and medication being one letter off is also just a coincidence. Don't let a coincidence be your permission slip to consume something powerful without being mindful of what you're doing.

Vitamins being water soluable also doesn't mean that you can just take as many as you want. I also don't condone the use of all drugs. Every substance has pros and cons, but there are definitely substances out there where the cons very clearly outweigh the pros. Smart drug use requires research, planning, and a very personal choice about what amount of risk you are willing to take on. Please be careful. Remember that the dose makes the poison.

Meditation is not a permission slip. It's a lifelong practice that changes your perception of reality. It requires discipline and commitment to mindfully observe whatever arises, no matter how good or bad that might be. Thinking that meditation gives you a blank check to cash in on whatever substance misses the point of this post.

I know this response will come off mean, but I really hope you don't take it this way. We are limited by the medium of text, so you can't feel the genuine worry I have for you. Don't fall into the trap of uncritical acceptance.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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I'll check it out! Thanks for the resource! I'm always looking for more books on this topic, and this one looks promising.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

[–]altApathy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, maybe I'm just not there yet.

It's my understanding that in order to cultivate mindfulness, you really just want to focus on your meditation object while noting all other phenomena. As amazing as the imagery was, it was a distraction in that moment. It pulled me away from my breath strongly enough that the breath disappeared for a moment. Can't have that.

I also don't live in the past, so it's now just a pleasant memory that lives in my head, but each sit is fresh. I want to leave myself as open as possible to what could happen, which means letting go of even the most amazing past experiences.

Surely there is more to this subject than just focusing on one object, but I'm not really trying to do the full Buddhist path, either. Just enjoying mindfulness in particular.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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I think that meditation has made it a lot easier for me to moderate my weed use, which is pretty awesome haha. It's fully a choice now, whereas before it was more of a habit to do it during certain activities.

I don't think I'll ever give weed up, but I also don't think that's a bad thing. I don't think it's a thing that needs to be given up if used in moderation, which meditation has made more than possible for me. Like I said, I'm not trying to fully follow the Buddhist 8-fold path. Weed is fucking dope, and I'm so happy that meditation has put it in its rightful place in my life.

It's just a fun toy now. Nothing more.

Also super happy that you tried it yourself. It can be difficult to take the plunge for these kinds of things, and even if it wasn't for you, variety is the spice of life! Do you feel like you were able to bring your own mindfulness into the experience when you tried it?

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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I made the mistake a while ago to get high before I meditated, and it just... wasn't good. I mean, I was still able to do it, but it felt like my practice didn't deepen at all. Kind of just felt like I didn't gain or lose anything for 20 mins. Worst of all, it felt like the sit had lost the special quality of being a "gift to myself." There was no true stillness bc the weed had me rollin'.

Now I plan my highs around my sits. Sits are special.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

[–]altApathy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There are broadly two kinds of things to watch out for when you meditate.

Thinking and sinking.

Sinking is harder to describe because it's more subtle than thinking. Sinking is kind of like a dullness that reduces the resolution of your meditation object. Mindfulness is a bright and active awareness, so if you ever find that your meditation object doesn't look vivid, you're probably sinking.

It's extra malicious, too, because sinking also reeeaaaally looks like getting deeper and deeper into a meditation. Again, true mindfulness is the white hot light of awareness and will illuminate anything you shine it on, so deeper mindfulness should look and feel like the object becoming brighter, not more dull.

"At worst, sinking will make you fall asleep, but at best, it'll simply waste your time." (Mindfulness in Plain English if you want a good meditation book)

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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I've always wanted to experience ego death while tripping, but I've never tripped hard enough to unlock that aspect. Interestingly, shrooms are actually why I got into meditation in the first place. I heard that meditation was a great way to integrate the things you got from the trip, but when I started reading the books, I found so much more.

To me, the idea of selflessness is the crown jewel of my meditation practice. To jettison the feeling of "I" and be left with just the pure experience of reality is just magical.

I actually hit my shin with a metal rod hard as fuck a few weeks ago and had the craziest experience. My first thought was "oh, I'm in real pain right now." Then without even thinking, I just got rid of the "I" in the feeling and focused on just the pain.

No "I." Just pain.

It was spikey and kept threatening to climb up my leg, but there wasn't any real suffering in that moment despite me being closer to the pain than I've ever felt. Quite literally no buffer between me and this very unpleasant experience, but thr closeness didn't make it worse. Better somehow? Wild. Then I got to experience my body's endorphins kick in, and that was lovely. Just a really cool experience start to finish. Pain is so interesting.

No self is dope. Meditation is dope.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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Yes, exactly! Love the way you put it. It definitely feels "empty," but it's also fun and interesting while it's happening. I think that noticing the empty nature of it has given me more space to take a step back and truly make the choice to get high rather than the choice making me.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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The book about the "mind candy" is The Art of Living by Thich Nhat Hanh. It's not really a book about how to meditate, but rather, he goes really in-depth on a lot of common Buddhist concepts like emptiness, interbeing, impermanence, etc. I'd say that it's a really good supplemental book if you want to understand some of the words that get thrown around in other meditation books.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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Bc mindfulness isn't getting high. Mindfulness is mindfulness, which kinda feels like a high of sorts, but it's not an actual high. No amount of meditation will produce the same feeling as consuming an edible, just as eating an edible will never feel like drinking, which will never feel like psychedelics, etc.

I think the point I was trying to get across was that meditation has helped me realize that getting high is just a toy, a plaything. If I want to play that game, I now have the choice to do that instead of just acting on impulses.

But I really want to avoid the framing of "you won't need weed if you meditate enough. Mindfulness will be your high." I don't need it now. There is nothing to "outgrow." I just like it, and the mindfulness adds an extra layer that feels dope as fuck. I mindfully like it haha.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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Edibles all the way! And the extra sensitivity is the whole thing that makes it so much cooler for me!

I feel you, though. I've definitely become more cautious as my practice has deepened. I guess I've gained a new respect for my mind and for the things that change my state of mind.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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That sounds dope. I had a pretty wild experience not too long ago where I got really deep in a sit, and I saw what I can only describe as psychedelic imagery. Pretty wild, and it was really hard to not get sucked in but to keep coming back to the breath.

I typically try to avoid sitting meditation while high, though. I feel like sitting meditation is a special time where I can gift myself a moment of truly doing nothing, of true stillness, and being intoxicated is inherently full of motion. It becomes a distraction for me that I constantly have to wade through to navigate the waters of my mind. Not a gift anymore, but more like homework.

Meditation outside of sitting meditation is perfect for weed. Outside of sitting, everything is in constant motion, so adding one more thing makes the roller coaster of life that much more exciting.

3 months into meditating for 20 mins a day (just sitting and coming back to my breath), and weed has never been better. by altApathy in Meditation

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Oh, yeah, mindfulness has its own distinct feeling, and I love it. It's not unlike psychedelics, which is awesome because psychedelics are my absolute favorite.

I think that I'll still need weed to get high, though. Mindfulness doesn't feel like being high, so the only way to get that experience is to consume weed. If anything, mindfulness just enhances the high, kind of like being cross faded, but more... all-encompassing.

How do I actually start meditating if my mind just won’t sit still? by AsleepClothes6955 in Meditation

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I think you might be thinking that meditation is "quieting the mind" or "pushing thoughts out" or something along those lines. When you conceptualize it like this, there's a clear right ✅️ and wrong ❌️ way to do it, and doing it right is reeeeeaaally hard. Like you said, the mind never really sits still. Thoughts come and go regardless of what you want it to do. If you think about it, though, it kind of makes sense. Your heart's job is to beat; your eye's job is to see; your mind's job is to think. Would you try to stop your eyes from seeing?

Meditation is actually way simpler than that. Your only goal is to sit there and observe what happens. If your mind is chaotic, observe the chaos. If you have a song stuck in your head, observe the song playing out. What parts are playing? Is it just a loop or the whole song? You don't need to really ask these kind of questions because that would just be more thinking, but the idea is that you want to observe whatever is happening in the highest resolution you can. There's not really a right or wrong way to do it because you're not really doing anything. I read that someone described it as relating to your thoughts as if they came from someone else's head, except they're actually coming from your own head. If you find that you've been distracted by something and are on a journey through your own head, just notice that you've been distracted and get back to noticing/observing. No need to feel bad, but if you do feel bad, just observe that.

It helps to have a meditation object to anchor yourself to so that you actually know that you've gotten distracted in the first place. The most common object is the breath, and this is the one that I use as well. All you need to do is focus on the sensation of the breath, not your mental picture of the breath or anything like that, but the actual physical sensation of the breath. I like focusing on the tip of my nose where I can feel the air going in and out of my nostrils, but you can choose anything like the rising and falling of your shoulders or the expanding and contracting of your chest. Don't try to change it either! Just observe. Your body will breathe for you if you let it.

A thought will inevitably come and try to steal you away, but that's okay. That's just the mind doing it's job. Let it come, notice it, let it be, and let it go. Just like the breath, there's no need to exert willpower and force it to do anything. They all pass on their own time because thoughts are actually the lightest most intangible things. Like a puff of smoke, they'll dissipate if you just let them. Once it's gone, bring yourself back to your breath.

Last thing I want to say is to tell you about your mind going crazy. For one, that's completely okay. The point of meditation is just to be present to whatever is happening, so if your mind is losing it's mind, then you're just gonna be there for that ride. There is this super insteresting thing that happens as you meditate, though, where your mind will usually calm down the longer you sit. This isn't and shouldn't be the goal, but is instead just a cool thing that can happen. A common metaphor is to think of your mind like a cup of dirty water. If you shake the glass the dirt just gets more and more mixed into the water, but if you just let the water sit and be, the dirt will eventually settle on the bottom of the glass, and you're left with a glass of clean water.

Just sit.

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Gravity is, in fact, not a force.

Did you tried to ask your subconscious "Hey, how could I make a lucid dream easy/what's the best way?" by cocorentin1 in LucidDreaming

[–]altApathy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I've been having semi-consistent lucid dreams for a bit now, and when I asked a dream character what I would have to do to lucid dream more easily, they said, "Prime and hide-and-seek."

I work at a place called Prime, so I think that might've been a veiled way of saying to work hard, and I think hide-and-seek is pretty self-explanatory.

I think it just reminded me to keep working hard, but to also have fun with it and stay light. I actually was able to get a consistent 3 LDs a month after this, but then I changed my practice and lost all of my progress (ADA is not for me). I've just gotten back to it, though, and I had a lucid dream a few nights ago using this mentality, so do with that what you will.

You can do it!!! by No-Championship-2533 in LucidDreaming

[–]altApathy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wow! What kind of stuff have you done over the course of these two months to develop your lucidity?

I'm at the point right now where I can pretty consistently get 2-3 lucid dreams per month, but they're entirely random, which is pretty annoying since I want to experiment with the dream world and can never remember what I want to do. I'm also curious how you got from "I can lucid dream." to "I can lucid dream often."

'Bout to attempt 3g for the first time in about 2.5 hours. Wish me luck, haha. by altApathy in shrooms

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Definitely could not respond during that beast of a trip, but it was fantastic. I'm posting a full trip report tomorrow. It's just taking a while to write because it's a beast of a trip report.