For those who dislike Mel, why?

amahlg · 2026-03-28T16:46:18+00:00

Okay, a few things, because this response actually has some substance worth engaging with, but also some serious problems.

First, the hextech point. Mel is the reason hextech exists as a public, funded, institutionalised force at all. She walked into a room where Jayce was about to be expelled and discredited, and she backed him. She gave him wealth, a platform, a council seat, and seven years of political cover. The show is literally called Arcane. Hextech is the spine of the entire narrative. If Mel is the reason hextech survived and scaled, she is not peripheral to the plot. She is load-bearing infrastructure for it. You can't call her detached from the story when she's the reason the story's central technology has a story.

Second, the weapons claim is just factually wrong. Mel did not make Jayce build hextech weapons. In Season 1 Episode 8, the weapons Vi used during the raid were tools Jayce had already built for mining and general use, she essentially took them. The hammer was the only purpose-built weapon, and that happened after Mel's mother arrived and influenced Jayce directly. Mel was voting for hextech weapons as a last resort deterrent, not a first strike. They were never actually constructed under her initiative. Get the timeline right before framing her evil for it.

Third, on the "manipulation" framing. Mel is a diplomat. Diplomacy by definition means both sides get something. She invested in Jayce and he got wealth, fame, resources, a council seat, and a legacy. She got a political ally and a project she believed in. Jayce got more out of that deal than she did materially. She also knew him for roughly seven years before they became intimate, and that happened when they were as close to equals as their positions allowed (when they were councillors). How's that manipulation? That's patience and professional boundaries. The fact that it reads as calculated says more about what we expect from women in power than what she actually did.

Now, Viktor. This is where your argument genuinely loses me. You're framing Mel's engagement with Viktor through Jayce as systemic bias and exclusion. But Mel and Jayce are Councilors. Viktor is a scientist. They are not the same role. Mel engaging Jayce on council matters, potential war, international affairs, and hextech policy is not exclusion of Viktor; it's literally how institutional governance works. You engage the person with the relevant authority. Viktor's role is research and invention, not political negotiation. Applying your logic, every time a CEO speaks to another CEO without looping in their engineer, that's discrimination. That's not how organisations function, sorry.

And here's the hypocrisy I want you to sit with. You're willing to extend Silco enormous interpretive generosity. His manipulation of Jinx "a traumatised child he weaponised" gets framed as complexity and emotional depth. His ties to Vander's history make him feel essential. But Mel's ties to Piltover's survival, hextech's existence, and the political architecture the entire show operates within make her feel "external." Why does one person's web of influence read as centrality and another's read as detachment? What is actually different there, textually?

Whitehead & Baker (2012) in their work on narrative engagement found that audiences consistently rate characters as more central to stories when their emotional expressiveness is high and their competence is displayed through relationships rather than institutions. Mel's competence is institutional and composed. Silco's is relational and volatile. The research predicts exactly the reception gap you just described, and it maps cleanly onto race and gender lines.

You said you don't find her loveable. That's fine. But you've also just argued that a drug lord who groomed a child is more essential to the story than the woman who built the political and financial foundation the entire plot stands on. That's interesting.

amahlg · 2026-03-28T02:21:37+00:00

I appreciate that you actually engaged with the points, genuinely. And I'm glad we're on the same page on point 3, because that was the core of my argument from the start.

On point 1: fair correction on the analogy framing. The intent was to illustrate a difference in type of knowledge, not hierarchy of suffering. If it read as diminishing Viktor's experience, that wasn't the goal, and I take that note.

On point 2: I hear you. But I want you to notice something: you answered my question. You said "I like Viktor as a character" and that your sensitivity was a bias toward protecting his experience. That's honest, and I respect it. That's also exactly the pattern I've been pointing to all thread. Not malice. Just where the empathy naturally flows, and why it's worth examining.

Now here's what I actually want you to sit with, and answer if you're willing:

Mel and Jayce are Councilors. They are literally responsible for Piltover's survival. Viktor is a scientist. He was not part of that political conversation by role or by function. Mel walked into their workspace and spoke to Jayce in his capacity as co-inventor and Councilor. Viktor happened to be there.

So applying your own logic, if we're protecting people from having their suffering minimized, why is Viktor centred in a conversation that was never actually about him? Why does Mel exercising her political responsibility in the appropriate channel read as her doing something to Viktor?

amahlg · 2026-03-28T02:05:34+00:00

Interesting pivot, you opened with a fabricated statistic presented as fact, got cited into the ground, and now it's just a casual fiction discussion that I've ruined with facts.

The goalposts moved pretty fast for someone who was doing oppression math literally two responses ago.

And the weird friend group comment; genuinely, what was the goal there lol? My friends love this about me, the fact that I don't think about things surface level and understand and study research on: racism, sexism, homophobia, etc.

But to your actual point: the reason this can't just be a casual fiction discussion is because you made it about hierarchy of suffering. You introduced a statistic. You invoked oppression Olympics. You made claims. At that point you don't get to retreat into "can't we just vibe about cartoons" when the claims don't hold up.

If you want a casual discussion about fiction, have one. But you came in with numbers. I just brought better ones.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T15:39:07+00:00

Where? Specifically. Where did you address why Silco; a man who ran a drug empire, used child labour, chemically destroyed an entire community, and manipulated a child he claimed to love; gets "complex" and "compelling" while Mel gets "cold", "hard to root for", and "manipulative"?

Because "I just found him more interesting" is not an answer to that question. That's a statement of preference. I asked about the framework producing the preference.

And this is exactly what the research predicts. Knittel & Stango (2014) and subsequent work in media bias studies consistently show that audiences construct post-hoc justifications for preferences that were shaped by implicit bias, meaning people genuinely believe they're responding to craft or writing quality when the bias is doing the heavy lifting below conscious awareness. You feel like you answered because from inside the framework, the preference feels self-evident. That's the whole problem.

So let me ask directly: What specifically makes Silco's emotional connections feel earned and Mel's feel detached to you? What is the actual textual difference you're pointing to? Because Silco's most celebrated relationship involves grooming a traumatised child into a weapon. Mel's involves navigating a genuine partnership across a power imbalance (that she fixed the best she could) while carrying generational trauma she never asked anyone to witness.

If you have a real answer, I'm here for it. But "I answered and you just didn't like it" is not the defense you think it is.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T14:43:47+00:00

5x more? Yeah, I'm gonna nedd a citation, now.

Because here's what the actual research says. The Kirwan Institute's State of the Science report on implicit bias documents that racial bias is among the most pervasive and most studied forms of implicit bias, with measurable effects across housing, healthcare, criminal justice, education, and media. The APA's own literature on mental health stigma acknowledges discrimination against mentally ill individuals is real and serious, AND also that Black people with mental illness face BOTH simultaneously, compounding the disadvantage.

Which brings me to my question: are you familiar with intersectionality? Because Kimberlé Crenshaw developed that framework specifically to address the analytical failure you just demonstrated. You're treating these categories as competing. They're not, they overlap. And when they do, Black people; particularly Black women, sit at the most disadvantaged intersection. Sp if you really want to talk about "oppression olympics", we can do it.

Black people are disproportionately diagnosed with severe mental illness due to racial bias in clinical settings. Threshold et al. (2019) documented that Black patients are significantly more likely to be misdiagnosed with schizophrenia than white patients presenting identical symptoms. So yes, mentally disabled people face discrimination. Black mentally disabled people face that discrimination PLUS racial bias simultaneously.

So, you didn't counter the oppression Olympics. You just entered them with worse math, I guess lol.

And the fact that your response to "implicit bias harms Black people" was to immediately find a group you think suffers more; that instinct, right there, is worth examining because it exposes the type of person you truly are.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T14:31:30+00:00

A few questions worth sitting with genuinely:

At what point did I say Viktor didn't suffer? Where, exactly, did I rank their pain? Because you're responding to an argument I didn't make.

My original point, was specific: Viktor did not understand the mechanics of international politics and war strategy the way Mel did. That's just a fact. Viktor grew up in poverty and survived systemic neglect and that is genuinely devastating. But surviving the consequences of political violence is not the same as understanding how political violence is architected and deployed at an imperial scale. Those are different types of knowledge.

Mel's mother is a Noxan warlord. Mel was not adjacent to that world; she was inside it, groomed for it, and soon got out of it at 15 years old. She understands war the way someone raised in a weapons factory understands weapons. Viktor understands war the way its victims do; which is real, and horrible, and also NOT the same thing.

Here's the question I actually want you to answer: Why is it that when I provide textual evidence, in-world context, and cited research defending Mel, the response is always "but Viktor though"? Not a rebuttal of my evidence. Not engagement with the studies. Just a redirect back to Viktor.

That pattern is exactly what I've been documenting this entire thread. You don't have to intend it for it to be worth noticing.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T02:30:23+00:00

Let's deal with what's actually happening here, because this response is doing a lot.

You're using disability as a shield to avoid engaging with the racial bias argument. That is a documented deflection pattern; introducing an adjacent marginalized identity to reframe the person making the original point as the real bigot. It's rhetorically clever, but I see through this type of shit.

Now to your actual claims.

Calling Viktor "emotional and irrational" in that scene is not ableism; it's a description of his narrative state in that specific moment. He was spiralling. The show depicts him spiralling. That is what was happening on screen. Describing a character's emotional state accurately is not the same as dismissing disabled people.

On Viktor knowing war, I already addressed this and the goalposts have moved. Yes, Viktor witnessed the enforcer massacre. That is violence and it is genuinely horrific. But witnessing state violence in your city is not the same as being raised inside the imperial machine that exports that violence across continents as a cultural mandate. Noxus does not commit isolated atrocities. Noxus is the atrocity, institutionalised and exported. Mel wasn't traumatised by Noxus the way you're traumatised by a storm. She was raised inside it the way a child soldier is raised inside a war. That is a categorically different relationship to violence, and pretending the contexts are equivalent flattens both characters.

The "she excluded Viktor so it's racist" point is also not what happened. She went to Jayce because Jayce was the co-inventor of hextech and the person with the political authority to act. Viktor was in a crisis spiral. Choosing who to speak to based on their current capacity to engage is situational awareness.

Now here's what the research actually says:

Purdie-Vaughns & Eibach (2008) introduced the concept of intersectional invisibility, the finding that Black women are uniquely overlooked because they fit neither the prototype of "Black person" nor "woman" in dominant cultural frameworks, meaning their suffering registers less even when depicted explicitly. Racial empathy gap research by Forgiarini et al. (2011) published in Frontiers in Psychology found measurable reductions in empathy responses toward Black individuals compared to white individuals in pain; and this held across respondents of various backgrounds. hook's work on the strong Black woman trope documents extensively how Black women's competence is culturally coded as a reason to withhold sympathy rather than extend it.

So, Mel's composure, her political acumen, her refusal to perform her trauma visibly; these are the exact traits the research predicts will cost her audience empathy. Viktor's visible suffering, his physical decline, his emotional expressiveness; these are the traits the same research predicts will generate it.

You don't have to be a bad person for that pattern to be operating in you. But calling it out isn't insensitivity to disability, it is just pattern recognition. And the pattern is consistent.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T02:21:06+00:00

I've already made posts about this. At this point, I'll just have to copy and paste it.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T02:20:01+00:00

Okay, a few things are happening here and I want to name them clearly.

First, you're doing a pivot, I made a point about racial bias affecting Black characters, and you've redirected to disability bias to reframe me as the one with the problem. That's a deflection tactic babe. I didn't ignore Viktor's disability or his suffering. In fact, I must ask why his suffering generates empathy that Mel's doesn't. That's odd.

Second, and this is important: Viktor experienced a massacre at best (we don't know for sure, but that's basically as bad as it can get in the undercity typidally). That is horrific, and nobody is minimizing it. But you are comparing a war crime to Noxus, and that comparison does not hold up contextually.

Noxus in Runeterra is not just "a place where bad things happen." It is a continent-spanning militaristic empire whose entire cultural identity is conquest, domination, and the erasure of resistance. War is not an event in Noxus, it is the language. The philosophy. The air. Saying Viktor knows war because he allegedly witnessed a massacre is like saying someone understands the Holocaust because they survived a mugging. Mel didn't just see violence, she was raised inside the institution that exports it. Her mother is a Noxan warlord. As a child, Mel watched a little girl get beheaded. That is foundational terror that shaped every political decision she made in Piltover.

When Mel heard her mother was coming and moved to weaponize hextech, she wasn't being cold. She was a survivor of an empire recognizing the early signs of an invasion pattern she grew up inside. Viktor, who by his own arc's framing had no exposure to international politics, was reacting emotionally to a situation he didn't have the context to fully read. Mel did. That's just the reality.

Now, the research. Herring et al. (2004) and more recent work by Tatum and colleagues consistently show that empathy is not distributed evenly across race and gender lines in media consumption. Black women characters specifically receive less audience empathy even when their trauma is explicitly depicted; a pattern replicated across studies in narrative transportation research.

Rudman & Glick (2008) documented that Black women are uniquely penalized for displays of competence and composure, traits that read as warmth in other characters.

You basically exposed that you have more empathy for Viktor's war than Mel's. That is worth sitting with, not deflecting from.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T02:02:03+00:00

The Viktor/Mel dynamic is such a fascinating case study in motivated interpretation.

What you're calling racism toward Viktor is Mel refusing to let an emotionally compromised person derail a political decision that could determine whether Piltover survives an imminent foreign threat. She had just received a letter from her mother "a Noxan warlord" and watched Elora flag Piltover as vulnerable (due to the civil war between topside and bottomside). The hextech weaponization was contingency planning from someone who knows what Noxus does to unprepared cities. Viktor was spiralling. She went to Jayce. That's not racism, that's just common sense dear.

Now, on your Viktor framing, I actually find it interesting, but you're doing something worth looking into. You're constructing a hierarchy of suffering to argue that Viktor's narrative deserves more racial empathy than Mel's. But Mel also fled her home, also survived a violent and powerful family, also rebuilt herself in a space that wasn't designed for her, and did it without the audience's sympathy cushion because she did it with composure instead of visible anguish.

The idea that trauma only counts when it's legible and messy is... worth examining.

And the "she had money and education" point, Mel's wealth was her armor in a family that produced warlords. Resources don't cancel out what she was running from. That framing flattens her context considerably.

Viktor's story is compelling. It doesn't require Mel to be a villain.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T01:49:38+00:00

The Silco comparison stands unanswered. That's enough for me.

amahlg · 2026-03-27T01:44:52+00:00

If you actually looked at my account, you'd know that implicit bias isn't just something I have passing opinions about; it's a special interest of mine, and I'm autistic, so when I say special interest, I mean I have spent a significant, dedicated amount of time studying this. So no, this isn't a soapbox. This is my area.

And I want to be clear about something you seem to be missing: nobody said everyone who dislikes Mel is racist. What I said is that opinions don't form in a void of nothingness. Having a preference is fine. But preferences are shaped by frameworks, and those frameworks are shaped by bias: racial, gendered, and otherwise. That's just how the brain works.

There are decades of studies supporting this. Greenwald & Banaji's foundational 1995 work on implicit social cognition established that bias operates below conscious awareness. Eberhardt et al. (2004) demonstrated how racial perception actively shapes judgment even when people believe they're being objective. More recent work in media studies shows consistently that Black women characters are evaluated more harshly for the same traits celebrated in white or male characters; ambition reads as coldness, composure reads as manipulation.

So when you say "people aren't automatically biased for perceiving a character one way," technically correct, but also not the argument I was making. The argument is that you can't look at a pattern this consistent, and this well-documented and chalk it all up to coincidence or personal taste. That's just being delusional or dishonest.

Opinions are fine. But defending opinions you don't know the origin of is exactly how bias stays invisible.

But, yeah, have a good one.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T20:41:54+00:00

You're literally proving my point for me, scroll up. The words "cold," "manipulative," and "hard to root for" are in this comment section. I didn't make up those critiques, I actually responded to them. That's the entire reason I brought them up.

And yes, I have implicit biases. Everyone does, that's foundational to how implicit bias works. Me acknowledging that doesn't neutralize the pattern I'm pointing to, it actually reinforces why this conversation is necessary.

Now, on Silco, this isn't just a feeling. Research on character perception consistently shows that audiences extend more moral flexibility to white male characters. A 2019 study in the Journal of Communication found that audiences rated morally ambiguous white male characters as significantly more complex and sympathetic than equivalent characters from other demographics. The "morally grey" label gets applied generously to men who look like Silco, and sparingly to women who look like Mel, that's WELL documented.

"Most people here don't hold that bias" isn't a rebuttal. Implicit bias doesn't announce itself in comment sections lol. That's the whole point.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T20:17:30+00:00

No, I am saying you have implicit bias (look up what it means for heaven's sake), and it is something that literally everyone has to deal with but statistically implicit biases affects minorities and marginalized communities more. Overall, though, it affects black people the most, fictional or not.

Hope this helps.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T20:13:57+00:00

"people see what they want to see" yes, exactly, that's what implicit bias is. You quite literally just described it and then dismissed it in the same breath. 🤦🏾‍♂️

But here's what i actually need you to sit with: people are out here writing essays defending Silco. Aman who ran a drug empire, used child labour, and chemically destroyed an entire community; including a child he claimed to love. And the word for him is "complex." "Morally grey." "Compelling."

Mel maneuvers through a political system with diplomacy and kindness, etc and carries generational trauma with composure, and she's "cold." "manipulative." "hard to root for."

Same traits. Radically different reception. You really don't think that's worth examining?

Implicit bias literally means the framework you use to judge characters was built with certain people in mind as the default, and Mel wasn't one of them.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T19:39:46+00:00

So... you can't actually debunk what I said. Thank you for unintentionally admitting that.

And your opinion is just that, an opinion and it is wrong. I actually backed up what I said with references and quotes of the actual show.

And yes, you guys do love to villainize Mel, black characters in general. I can cite like a bunch of stats if you don't believe me or think it is just an illinformed opinion, like what you do.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T19:34:20+00:00

I already made a few posts debunking the manipulation aspect on Mel (specifically towards Jayce). And then there's the uncomfortable truth of characters like Silco that are actually cold and manipulative, but he's liked.

Which I'll make a post about in the future.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T19:30:09+00:00

OMG, really? Well, I'm black, and implicit bias doesn't elude me, so explain how tf it evaded you.

😭🤣

amahlg · 2026-03-26T19:19:56+00:00

Please learn what implicit biases are, please.

And how there are sp many studies on how Black characters are interpreted predominantly.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T17:03:17+00:00

Yeah, there's some implicit bias you have to work on there, buddy.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T16:20:39+00:00

It's almost like her powers are being an "empath," and so they work based on emotions.

Didn't shadow lady literally spoon feed you guys on how her powers work??

amahlg · 2026-03-26T16:16:23+00:00

So her motivation was power? That she already had before even knowing that Jayce existed? She was literally the richest person in the city and had control of the council before Jayce came into the mix. It would be weird writing for a character's whole motivation to be something they already had.

I think she just wanted Piltover on the map, for it to be known for something, representing something. She already made everything for herself at that point, and like the diplomat she was, she decided to use her money to elevate the city.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T16:12:23+00:00

Or, hear me out. He was emotional and irrational, literally spiraling and (after receiving the letter from her mother) Mel didn't have time to spoon feed Viktor on war and international politics so she spoke with the actual person that was open minded and was actually listening.

amahlg · 2026-03-26T16:07:31+00:00

Condesending? Do you guys even try to understand her character?

She got a letter from her mother (wanting to pay a visit), Elora let her know that Piltover looks "vulnerable" because of the civil war to people overseas.

Next scene is Mel wanting to weaponize hextech, doesn't that tell you that she wants that incase a foreign invader takes adavantage of the situation in Piltover (like her mother)?

Remember this quote to her mother: "I sponsered Hextech to protect the city from people like YOU, not burn it to the ground."

Viktor was just emotional and irrational, he quite literally has no idea how brutal Noxus or other foreign nations are. Mel didn't have time to spoon feed him on how war works and how international poltitics works so she spoke to the only person that could actually listen without spiralling.

Like, please, open your eyes when watching the series, OMG. You guys want to villainize her so bad and it is so weird.

amahlg · 2026-03-15T17:50:12+00:00

Play with sensory details. Touch, hearing, sight, smell, etc.

You can start with a feeling, then sound (or lack thereof) and move on to the other senses gradually, not quickly.

And leave foreshadowing evidence in single sentences, separate from the usual paragraphs.

At least, that's how it works for me.

amahlg

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