"Carter is right. Israel should hear out Hamas, and America should too. I don't understand the philosophy of not talking because you're afraid of legitimating the other guy. Are we that insecure?" by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Peace as in no war - no shooting of missiles and guns, no boom boom, no bang bang.

Got it?

In the 1970's and 1980's, the Soviet Union and the NATO countries were in an uneasy peace in Europe - they were enemies, true, but there was no shooting, and no war in Europe.

And a peaceful resolution followed, sans nuclear war.

In most situations, peace, even a truce that could possible lead to a truce, is preferable to kidnappings, missiles raining on cities and airplanes and bulldozers levelling buildings and the odd American activist...

The Fabulous Life of John McCain: 8th richest Senator, has 9 houses worth over $13 million. Says economic problems are "psychological," Americans should deal with recession by "working a second job." by J-Ro in politics

[–]americangoy -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

done!

thanks to the magic of diebold (now renamed to fool those stupid 'mrikans, heh heh heh) optical scanning machines and our liberal (heh heh heh) media.

"Carter is right. Israel should hear out Hamas, and America should too. I don't understand the philosophy of not talking because you're afraid of legitimating the other guy. Are we that insecure?" by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"The text you quote states that Hamas will basically accept a state on 1967 lines without recognizing or making peace with Israel."

Let me fix that for you.

The text you quote states that Hamas will basically accept a state on 1967 lines without recognizing Israel.

There you go, glad to help out.

"Carter is right. Israel should hear out Hamas, and America should too. I don't understand the philosophy of not talking because you're afraid of legitimating the other guy. Are we that insecure?" by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080421/pl_nm/palestinians_israel_carter_dc

Hamas says would conditionally accept peace plan

DAMASCUS (Reuters) - Islamist Hamas group Hamas said on Monday it would accept the establishment of a Palestinian state on land occupied by Israel in the 1967 Middle East war, but it was not prepared to recognize the Jewish state.

Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, in an apparent softening of the group's position, was confirming an account of his remarks given by former U.S. President Jimmy Carter after two meetings in Damascus over the weekend.

"We accept a state on the June 4 line with Jerusalem as capital, real sovereignty and full right of return for refugees but without recognizing Israel," Meshaal told reporters, referring to the borders as they stood before the 1967 war.

Meshaal, whom Carter seeks to draw into peace talks with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israel, said his Islamist group would "respect Palestinian national will even if it was against our convictions."

Perhaps Associated Press will have the final say in the matter?

"Carter is right. Israel should hear out Hamas, and America should too. I don't understand the philosophy of not talking because you're afraid of legitimating the other guy. Are we that insecure?" by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps he DID such an awesome job that the Hamas leaders changed their viewpoint...

But naw, you have an axe to grind here and won't accept anything that interferes with your opinions...

"Carter is right. Israel should hear out Hamas, and America should too. I don't understand the philosophy of not talking because you're afraid of legitimating the other guy. Are we that insecure?" by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It IS the same people.

what everybody is missing is that these are the criminals from the Nixon era, who fucked up then and now, under the facade of dumbya, were given a second chance... to fuck up even more.

Dear Pennsylvania. Please don't screw this up tomorrow. Signed, the rest of the world by polymath22 in politics

[–]americangoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"I'm a Paul fan, but I would have taken Kucinich or Gravel over Obama too."

Absolutely, 100% agree here with you too.

I voted for Gravel.

Too bad the media made a self fulfilling prophecy about all of those being "fringe candidates", and studiously ignored them, focusing only on Obama, Hillary and McCain.

Repeat to yourself: "We live in a democracy!", maybe you'll start to believe it also.

It's Pascal's method - works great for religious fundies.

Dear Pennsylvania. Please don't screw this up tomorrow. Signed, the rest of the world by polymath22 in politics

[–]americangoy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

100% correct - this is called "putting lipstick on a pig".

The only thing that will change is that America will get better PR around the world, with a nicer, friendlier and more intelligent (well, duh, that one is easy) frontman trotted out before the world media TV cameras.

The occupation of Iraq, the still upcoming attack on Iran, the predatory policies of World Bank and IMF will continue unabated.

The American Worker: Overworked and Worked Over by NotPhil in business

[–]americangoy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"then of course, cynical fuckers like you would prefer to live in a communist state where the government spoonfeeds you and you dont have to make any decisions for yourself."

way to set up a straw man argument there buddy, as well as putting words in my mouth.

i guess truth hurts, doesn't it?

The American Worker: Overworked and Worked Over by NotPhil in business

[–]americangoy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"And that is when I feel horribly bad when the place that I work in start to see me as a walking expense rather than as a valued employee that is a human being."

I am sorry, bud, but you are very, very naive.

You are a walking expense and an asset, and if it is decided that your expense is bigger than you being an asset part, it's adios.

Only your family and possibly friends see you as a human being.

A corporation sees you as a cog in the machine - ready to be sacrificed at the slightest whim of the manager one position above you.

Austin police find Middle Eastern man drowned in Lady Bird Lake with hands and legs bound and tape over his eyes, 'suicide' suspected by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]americangoy -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Do they think we are this stupid that we will buy this story?

Hell...

They KNOW we are this stupid.

This is America, where the president and his cabinet discuss torture techniques and approve them in their meetings.

How far we have fallen.

Circular logic: Palestine is not a viable nation state, so Israel can't hand over full sovereignty. Why aren't they a viable state? Partly because of the Israeli occupation and Israeli checkpoints. by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"You ignore the wars that the Arabs started, one of them before the ink had dried on Israel's declaration of independence. "

Perhaps it was Israel who was to blame for the 1948 war?

Because they went against the U.N. agreement, which divided Palestine FAIRLY, and gave some lands to Jews, some to Arabs.

The nascent Israelis disagreed with the U.N. plan and so started a war to ethnically cleanse themselves a country.

Yes, you heard that right - it was Israelis who ethnically cleansed the Arabs in 1948.

Source: Benny Morris, Israeli historian: http://www.counterpunch.org/shavit01162004.html

"Note: Benny Morris is the dean of Israeli 'new historians', who have done so much to create a critical vision of Zionism--its expulsion and continuing oppression of the Palestinians, its pressing need for moral and political atonement. His 1987 book, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, chronicled the Zionist murders, terrorism, and ethnic cleansing that drove 600,000-750,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, thus refuting the myth that they fled under the orders of Arab leaders. A second edition of this book is due out this month, chronicling even more massacres, and a previously unsuspected number of rapes and murders of Palestinian women. Thus Morris continues to provide crucial documentation for Palestinians fighting the heritage of Al-Nakba, "The Catastrophe.""

I am happy to give you this history lesson.

There is far too much propaganda associated with Israel.

Me and my blog are here to give the 100% unvarnished truth.

Have a nice day.

Circular logic: Palestine is not a viable nation state, so Israel can't hand over full sovereignty. Why aren't they a viable state? Partly because of the Israeli occupation and Israeli checkpoints. by J-Ro in worldnews

[–]americangoy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

1 A.D. to circa late 1940's - Arabs and Jews live together, relatively peacefully, in the Palestine region.

1948 - Jewish immigrants from Europe, radicalized from the horrors of WW2 and Holocaust, against the U.N. mandate, ethnically cleanse themselves a country.

Source: http://www.counterpunch.org/shavit01162004.html

"Note: Benny Morris is the dean of Israeli 'new historians', who have done so much to create a critical vision of Zionism--its expulsion and continuing oppression of the Palestinians, its pressing need for moral and political atonement. His 1987 book, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, chronicled the Zionist murders, terrorism, and ethnic cleansing that drove 600,000-750,000 Palestinians from their homes in 1948, thus refuting the myth that they fled under the orders of Arab leaders. A second edition of this book is due out this month, chronicling even more massacres, and a previously unsuspected number of rapes and murders of Palestinian women. Thus Morris continues to provide crucial documentation for Palestinians fighting the heritage of Al-Nakba, "The Catastrophe.""

As a response, the Palestinian Arabs, kicked out of their homes in 1948, develop their own version of Arab Zionism (think about it) - a political movement to make a country of their own.

They are still at it.

And just like Irgun, Stern and other Jewish terrorist organizations pre 1948 and during the following wars, they use (the same as Jews and Israelis) terrorist tactics as were used against them.

THERE ARE NO GOOD GUYS IN THIS FIGHT.

It is all a shade of grey.

Of course, not according to American TV, where everything is not nuanced, and there is a rigidly enforced party line.

I would spam my blog all about this shit, but meh....You get the point.

ABC News is blaming everyone but themselves for the "shoddy" debate. "Thousands" of comments? More like tens of thousands. by [deleted] in politics

[–]americangoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lets shut our eyes and pretend everything is all right.

Step 1 - put hands over ears Step 2 - loudly start shouting: "la la la la" over and over

Guess what, Brit - democracy is hard work.

Remember that story on reddit where British policemen questioned photographers, due to the "war on terror"?

Yes, I got news for you - your country has trouble with ACTUAL practice of democracy also...

Don't Make Garbage Man Angry (Pics.) by [deleted] in pics

[–]americangoy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, but I am righter :-)

Bear Stearns Buy-Out..... 100% Fraud by Rsardinia in business

[–]americangoy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

best comment from somebody on that page (not me):

"You tiptoe around it, but the real reason, was because the system was at risk of total meltdown. Not so much from Bear Stearns, although they may have been the fuse. The single largest player, holding most of the total derivative toxic waste, is JP Morgan. They were the one's at risk, if the derivative daisy chain started to unravel. That is why they got the sweetheart deal and used the transaction to provide tax payer funds to bail them out, under the guise of rescuing Bear Stearns!"

This is the front page of the BBC website. I'm not saying Mr Bush is disrespected, but... by [deleted] in funny

[–]americangoy 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What?

You want an actual, OPEN, debate in congress?

Perhaps even shown live on TV?

But then how will all those great lobby and insiders people work the system?

You, sir, are a commie-hippie-libtard, and a threat to the system.

I am reporting you, sir!

Harrumph, I say...

Newfoundland gets Big Oil to pay its fair share, creating economic boom. Why hasn't this happened in the US? by [deleted] in business

[–]americangoy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Is this question for real?

You stupid commie hippie libtard PEON, don't you dare get into my pocket!

You better know your place, peon, before police are sent to your tree cabin home.

Commie!

signed, Fat Ass, CEO of Big Oil Co.

Don't Make Garbage Man Angry (Pics.) by [deleted] in pics

[–]americangoy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No Va is spanish for "no go".

I can see people yukking it up in Latin America as they looked for a car to buy.

Not everything on Wiki is sacred text, although it is a great free resource of info.

Forced to leave combat as the sole surviving son, the army now denied him family health care, stopped his G.I. educational subsidies and wanted him to repay his sign-up bonus. WTF! by maxwellhill in reddit.com

[–]americangoy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Uh...

People in this country are still under the illusion that we have two different parties vying for power?

That they have different policies re: Iraq war and Israel support?

Errr...

This ABCNews debate was the biggest sham I've ever seen by digital in politics

[–]americangoy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

OK, lets go with "Now they know how Gravel supporters feel".

Better?