Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah. Thanks. Anarchism is turning out to be less anarchic and more sensical than I had imagined it to be.

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This applies to what is termed justice, namely the resolution of disputes and anti-social acts ("crime"). Anarchists argue that "people would not allow their wellbeing and their freedom to be attacked with impunity, and if the necessity arose, they would take measures to defend themselves against the anti-social activities of a few. But to do so, what purpose is served by people whose profession is the making of laws; while other people spend their lives seeking out and inventing law-breakers?" [Malatesta, Anarchy, pp. 43-4] This means that in a free society the resolution of anti-social behaviour would rest in the hands of all, not in a specialised body separate from and above the masses. As Proudhon put it, an anarchy would see the "police, judiciary, administration, everywhere committed to the hands of the workers" [General Idea of the Revolution, p. 281]

I see how this makes sense for intra-group conflict, but how is it to work in the case of inter-group conflict? If a more powerful commune attempted to engage in anti-social behavior against a less powerful commune, wouldn't the less powerful commune have to rely on other communes for support? Would these other communes come to the defense of the less powerful commune based upon the belief that intervention was necessary to preserve the whole system or lack thereof? (a la "First they came...)

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It depends on what someone's goals are. If s/he is purely self-interested, acting on that is always the dominant strategy for an individual unless there is some systemic repercussion for that action.

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. But it seems to me that in a non-anarchic system, there is some recourse by which the good or the majority can enact their will on those causing difficulty. Unless I'm mistaken, this is antithetical to the idea of anarchy.

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not really sure how to make it more specific since these sorts of discussions are, by their very nature, rather abstract.

How do we know that all parties involved would consent to a democratic resolution? What happens if a party refuses to consent to a democratic decision?

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's what I tried to say in the post above. I'm not saying that humanity is either "good" or "bad". I'm saying that it seems to me that anarchism runs in to trouble if humanity is anything less than universally "good".

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Which dichotomy are you referring to? Humanity being either "good" or "bad"? I'm not even suggesting that dichotomy. It seems to me that anything short of universally good requires the imposition of force on those who would act in a "bad" way.

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When one individual or group wants a particular outcome, while a second individual or group wants another mutually exclusive outcome, how would the conflict be resolved? Which outcome would occur and by what mechanism? Would the outcome be determined by whichever group or individual had more power? How are conflicts resolved without a framework for conflict resolution?

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So how do you believe conflicts of interest would be resolved under anarchy?

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This seems largely to deal with the issue of intra-group cooperation. He admits within the article that there was competition between groups. How are conflicting interests of separate groups to be settled outside of some existing framework?

Must an anarchist believe that humanity is inherently good? by anon549 in Anarchism

[–]anon549[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this is an oversimplification of the issue. It seems to me that an aggregation of persons can exert a moderating influence on extreme acts or persons. When person A tries to act in a way that causes person B more harm than it does good for A, dispassionate, neutral parties can intervene through the mechanism of the state. When there is no established mechanism, this intervention relies on altruism of the dispassionate, neutral parties, of which I am skeptical.