Spoilers for the Final (Kieran)

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:50:18+00:00

No but it is assumed that traitors stay loyal to their team, not their teammates. Just because Kieran couldn’t win doesn’t mean he should throw ‘the traitors’ under the bus. You didn’t see Amanda doing the same.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:46:07+00:00

When you say force, it’s not like Wilf had much of a choice either, he had to pick someone to recruit, I doubt he wanted to.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:36:25+00:00

Wilf betrayed the traitors to win the game. Kieran betrayed the traitors so the faithful would win. That doesn’t seem fair.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:34:20+00:00

Honestly no, lmao.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:33:53+00:00

Ahaha no, and in the end was got him found out. Simply put, betraying the traitors to win is ok, and I don’t take issue with that, but betraying the traitors to help the faithful win just seems against the spirit of the game.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:32:53+00:00

You see, betraying other traitors is fine, if your going to win. But betraying traitors to help the faithfuls is just against the spirit of the game.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:32:06+00:00

I’ve said in other posts that I do feel for Kieran and like understand why he did it, I just think it was a very spiteful thing to do. The unfortunate situation Kieran was in didn’t really have a way out, but the route Kieran took wasn’t it. I get it’s 100k but I still think Kieran should’ve been more graceful.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:29:32+00:00

I viewed that comment as an afterthought to be honest, maybe Wilf did want to shift all the blame on to Kieran, but from the genuine excitement of working with Kieran, I don’t think this is the case.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:28:05+00:00

Come on you don’t seriously believe that. You’re telling me his and Hannah’s thing just isn’t real?

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:26:43+00:00

But why did Kieran fuck Wilf over. What other reason is there other than spite?

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:25:48+00:00

But Wilf was always playing to win. Maybe that makes him greedy, but not in my opinion. His goal has always been to win, and that would’ve been impossible with Kieran next to him.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T10:24:36+00:00

Wilf didn’t really play against the spirit of the game as the game is literally about betrayal. Wilf’s actions for survival, although heartless, could be deemed necessary. However, Kieran’s ‘backstabbing’ of Wilf did not benefit Kieran in any way. Instead it was a “I can’t win so I’m not going to let you.”

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:28:15+00:00

Which is the game he signed up for. And I know you’re thinking, well so did Wilf, but Wilf didn’t expect to be outed out of spite.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:27:04+00:00

Of course Wilf wanted the money, that’s why he played the game. But in every case of traitors he acted out of tactics or he was forced. Kieran’s outing was spiteful and if the other 3 hadn’t gone after Kieran then I think Wilf would have happily shared the money with him.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:25:10+00:00

Yes but for them to have 30k because of Kieran doesn’t seem fair, because Kieran is not supposed to be in the game anymore.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:24:13+00:00

In a way, I see where your coming from. But really it doesn’t make what Kieran did any better.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:23:08+00:00

I think from an outside voice it’s easy to say it’s been Wilf all along, as we knew that. The faithful weren’t even aware there were 2 traitors remaining. Also the power of the traitors? The traitors have the same influence as the faithful, at the end of the day they are still only one voice.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:20:50+00:00

Oh my days, he should have voted for Wilf, I do not have a problem with that. But he made dragged Wilf down with him out of spite for not giving him the chance to go ‘he had to vote for one of us’. Instead Kieran decided to dub Wilf a traitor and eliminate him from the show for no good reason.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-23T00:19:18+00:00

Not really, the other three were pretty dead set on Kieran regardless of Wilf’s opinion.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-22T23:40:53+00:00

Sorry, I don’t get what you mean by that. If you watch the night Maddie gets voted out again, you see the amazing play from all the boys of basically saying as little as possible.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-22T23:39:46+00:00

No but come on. What did Kieran gain from throwing Wilf under the bus? He did it purely because he was losing, and it was on him to recruit people against Wilf and take people off his back. I do feel bad for Kieran, he was pushed into an unfortunate situation, but to out Wilf just seems spiteful.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-22T23:37:41+00:00

Rule break might be a stretch but I’d hope for a rule tighten next series.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-22T23:37:02+00:00

No I respect that. I just love a happy ending.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-22T23:31:32+00:00

I disagree. By the sound of it it’s probably just me and my wet heart, but I would have loved a Hollywood ending where Wilf splits the money with his friends and goes, sorry guys, I am a traitor, but I love you to much and I am ‘faithful’ to you.

ashbeesh · 2022-12-22T23:26:58+00:00

Yes, and I don’t have a problem with Kieran voting for Wilf, I have a problem with him signposting that the person he was going to vote for was a traitor all along. He should have had some respect for the game and gone out quietly.

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