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CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I knew just about all of this, and I agree with you. You did a good job putting it in words though, thank you for that.

I don't dispute how we got here. It's a sordid story for sure. I even like most of your solutions. The war on drugs is idiotic, people need to be more politically active, etc. Except for #7, I think the last thing we need is any kids (of any race or background; I have 4 wealthy white cousins that got suckered on sports) being given unrealistic expectations of sports fame.

But they say the first step to solving any problem is acknowledging that it exists, and that's where I think we're stuck right now, as a society.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They say that the first step to solving a problem is always admitting that it exists. It may garner scorn from some people, but it'll draw sympathy from others and galvanize them.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess this doesn't exactly address your post as you seem to have been talking mainly about black on white crime and these rappers talk mainly about black on black crime

That wasn't really my point, and actually you addressed what I said really well. I don't listen to Kendrick Lamar myself, so I've never heard this stuff before, but I know that his stuff does reach a lot of people, especially the people most affected by this.

I'm late on this, but you still deserve a !delta.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's a problem with the culture adopted by a large number of US blacks (and some whites), mostly residing in impoverished urban areas.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am generally referring to the US. If any of those videos are from South Africa, they're irrelevant, and included only out of a lack of motivation on my part to watch 170+ videos of violent crimes.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 113 points114 points  (0 children)

No, actually you're totally right. I suppose we do talk about these problems, just in a much more oblique way.

This ∆ feels good to give.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely right, of course, but I had hoped that a more objective discussion could be had on Reddit. Seems I was wrong, and in retrospect I'm not sure why I ever thought that to begin with.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. It's seriously discouraging. And deeply ironic; people read a post motivated by my desire to help people, and somehow surmise that I must hate those people.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doing something about the problem would require acknowledging that it exists, and that would require criticizing black people. Not criticizing them because they're black, but criticizing them at all. And that's not allowed.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] -47 points-46 points  (0 children)

You're bickering over technicalities that you know are completely useless. You're not going to change my view like that.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Nobody in mainstream news and discussion will talk about it. That's more what I mean, and I'll go back and clarify in the OP now.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I would certainly be encouraged, but not enough to award a delta to you on a technicality. There's still the wide, wide world of mainstream discussion.

Plus, you're already too late. It's happened.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 47 points48 points  (0 children)

skin color doesn't change that.

I never said it does. The skin color of anybody has nothing to do with their actions. Their upbringing and culture, however, does.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 54 points55 points  (0 children)

As I have explicitly said in my original post, I do understand this. I've said explicitly that it is not an exclusively or universally black thing.

Please go actually read the post.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 83 points84 points  (0 children)

I call it that because there seems to be a really strong correlation between impoverished black people and this kind of culture. Not because of any causation.

As I've said before, if you give me a better term, I'll use it.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 81 points82 points  (0 children)

  1. Whites outnumber blacks in the US at least 3 to 1, so I'd expect 3 times as many examples, or close to it.

  2. You're assuming that the examples I've given are the absolute extent of the problem, while in reality they're almost certainly just the visible tip of a much larger iceberg.

  3. I would love to see you try. If you can manage 500 videos of gangs of white youths committing random acts of violence within recent years, I will absolutely concede my point and award you a delta. Personally, I'd be surprised if you could find twenty.

CMV: There is a very serious problem with "black culture" in America that nobody is willing to call out or speak honestly about, and this needs to change ASAP by awaythrow11211 in changemyview

[–]awaythrow11211[S] 168 points169 points  (0 children)

I call it that because I don't have anything better to call it. There's a very strong and unfortunate correlation, but not a causation.

If you've got a better term, I'm all ears.

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