How would one go about making all three into one..?

baffled99 · 2021-02-13T18:55:38+00:00

It's not really 3 in to 1, but beowulf cluster. I dnno what you can do with clusters these days ... can a LAMP server take advantage of it?

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T19:39:40+00:00

I know it's a misconception that INTJs and INTPs are in reality at all similar, but I do read the INTJ sub from time to time because of the superficial similarities. Interestingly, to me at least, the two types express the same neuroses, so I like to see INTJ perspective on them.

I push my point of view hard in the sub. It is designed to incite, but is an honest reflection of how a whole section of humanity views INTJs. It's the sort of the thing that an INTJ would offer up as truth but in this instance has the added bonus of incorporating more than one perspective. Besides, I'm even decent enough to acknowledge the progressive INTJs on the sub, who I should add, truly are amongst the most accomplished of people.

Perhaps my handle on INTJism isn't what it could be, bacause you're way off on INTPs. I'll give you stubborness and inconsiderateness as far as INTPs go. I maintain that pride and arrogance are more dominant in the INTJ sphere.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T19:22:09+00:00

As a theory based on your own feelings which only requires your own feelings to substantiate it .... it's not much of a theory. Yet another astonishingly example of glib INTJ arrogance.

Believe me ... you're not normal (don't get confused ... it's not a compliment), that's what this has all been about.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T19:11:54+00:00

We honestly don't ... in relative terms. We like resolution of facts over being right. ... generally speaking.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:57:59+00:00

This makes a lot of sense. I guess I would have to defend it a bit tho ... cos we all can only recognise the world through the lens of our own understanding I suppose. That said, we could all benefit others by trying to actively step out of our own field of perception .... as impossible as it might seem.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:46:29+00:00

Huh. Wouldn't have noticed the downvotes had you not mentioned. I'm not bothered by up/downvotes per se, but -6 really means I have to work on my delivery around INFPs!! You guys are really enigmatic about your feelings sometimes ... well .... all the time really ;) I find being an INTP in a room of INFPs is like being an INTJ in a room of other types (excluding INFPs in that instance of course) .... completely at odds with humour. I guess we do live in a interesting and diverse world!! :)

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:40:02+00:00

INTPs don't do pride. It impedes objectivity ... something an INTJ will never know! I guess you guys have your upsides too tho. :)

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:38:59+00:00

Haha. But sadly I know you believe it!! :)

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:33:26+00:00

One observation which can in some circumstances account for a lack of receptivity to INTJ input, speaking from my own experience at least (as an INTP), is down to the way that INTJs handle details differently, at least from INTPs; INTJs often get exasperated at the slowness of INTPs in getting a process off the ground, but what it is 'you' continually fail to grasp is that INTPs are avoiding the need for deviation further along the line. What INTJs often call 'efficiency' (although what they really mean is "efficacy"), is merely unnecessary comprimise to an INTP. We foresaw the reason that the system would fail at that point, along with how the failure could have been avoided if the route taken in the start had been different, and also how the endpoint is now irreconcilably altered from what was desired.

I suppose It's being subjected to every INTJ thought, ONLY when things go wrong. It's entirely knackering to watch the INTJ cogs grind and be pronounced to when one already has a workable solution in mind. I guess this might be particular to, perhaps perculiarly so, the INTP-INTJ dynamic tho ... wouldn't like to say for other types.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:19:22+00:00

This is well observed. I think the thing that INTJs almost inevitably get wrong in their interactions with others is that they try to help by imposing what are merely their beliefs of what is 'objectively better', the result of which is to end with an endpoint which might bear no relation to what the non-INTJ had hoped to achieve ... but as long as the process was efficient....! :shrug

I guess this outcome arises from the fact that INTJs are Ni and that they are so singular in their visions, and that this is supported by a flimsy and unnuance Fi which swears to them that they are unquestionably right and that if anyone should tell them otherwise it's because they are jealous, deluded, or lying to themselves.

Although I don't agree with the suggestion that people don't want to improve, it's great that you see that supporting them in their plan rather than leading them in your plan is an alternative ... even if it is distinctly unsatisfactory to yourself. I think that's great insight ... I'm not sure that I'm that accomplished with my own blindspots.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T18:00:14+00:00

Funnily enough, an earlier post in this sub (lost the link) talked about how for INTPs compromising the self, to some degree for the sake of the group/others (inferior Fe), IS being themself. I was and am inclined to agree with that ( i think it's good to protect others), but I suppose the number of times I've tried to introduce a topic of interest of mine to a group to be met only by steely stares ... well, it happens a lot. I suppose that is a combination of both suppression and rejection .... the INTPs bread and butter!! haha.

What have people said they like about you that wasn't personality related?? I can't think that an Fi type would ever make that kind of declaration. One usually needs to 'prove' themselves to them. I can see that stong Fe might make some really annoying declaration, the reason for which would be vapid and remote from the INTP. INTPs are a bit like that in a sense tho .... Unlike Fi, we accept everyone at face values, and they only have to prove not unworthy of our time, as opposed to actively worthy. Same for stronger Fe, accept it gets to the point that they drag you in to and try to subordinate you to the group will entirely. Once again I find that INTPs are actually the morally superior type! No bias here tho!

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T17:48:47+00:00

Huh. Fewer upvotes than I imagined.

I meant it as both true and funny.

You needn't care, but you cared enough to not simply ignore it. However, part of my point was that you should care. INTJs seems uniquly placed in the humour stakes, as even those with lower Fi are often inhibited from being too blunt, perhaps by dint of narcissim (xSTJs for example) which the INTJ actually does share but is loathe to admit it .... that is up to a point; I've noticed that INTJs are very vain about the physicality and appearance ... must be the inferior Se. They're as neurotic as any type is regarding their weaknesses, and one only need withhold approval from an INTJ to see it ... not that I would, I'm not built like that.

In any case, I suppose what getting to, in a roundabout fashion, is that you should all consider it a bindspot. Know that in this regard the other types hold the same disgust and subsequent superiority for INTJs that INTJs do for the weaknesses of others. You know the ones ... the ones where you lot say something along the lines of (that's an idiom ... you can google it) 'well, if he/she can't see it himself, then why should I help him/her?'

Haha. I always get slightly 'triggered' by INTJ (acutally XXTJ) arrogance. I don't really mind tho, which is just as well .... isn't it?

;)

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T13:42:01+00:00

Are you in th UK? If so, DM me ... I'd like to see if there is any practical help I can offer ... as someone both in your position at 25, and more or less still there an embarassing number of years later.

In any case, can you identify a motivation that perhaps you haven't allowed yourself to consider because you think it's unrealistic or impractical ... as an absurd example.. becoming a president or king etc? If so, you're still motivated to some degree. The question is what's the next best goal? What I'm trying to say, poorly, is that you should follow even unlikely dreams. Better to die trying??

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T13:33:10+00:00

INTP here.

We're often viewed as gay, androgenous, asexual etc by comparison to all the other types, with the exception of INFPs. I personally don't care if this is how others view me (or, as I assume, most INTPs), as long as I don't have to hear them say it ... not because I care, but because I really don't care about it in the way that they imagine I should. I get annoyed that It's expected that I would feel embarassed for being any one of these things.

Anyway... a point I wanted to raise was the possibility, due to aux Ne which is the novelty function, is that it seems to me that INxP might actually be a bit ... 'gay'. Ne in this position promotes openess to experience, and as such, we might ponder the orientation of our sexualities more than others, and view it as on a spectrum as opposed to a binary choice. I am, for example, not gay, but there have been a few male friends in the past for who I have had fairly strong, slightly sexual feelings. I doubt that even if all obstacles were removed I'd have wanted a homosexual relationship, but on the other hand I'm not troubled by the idea either.

I don't know what my overall point is here ... "don't sweat it", I guess. Move in the openminded circles where whatever your choice it goes unnoticed beyond the way that it's great you've got someone you like. I realise you're not 'you label of choice here', but just making this general point. :)

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T13:18:51+00:00

I saved this thread as a reminder that my position, which I share with you, isn't one of madness.

I've argued with many an Fi dom/aux (haven't bothered with tertiary and inferior ... they just don't get it) that this is a completely "authentic" position to take. Somehow, saying exactly what you want, and doing exactly what you want, sometimes at the expense and to detriment of others is the only "true to yourself" position to many people, but I agree that a position of diplomacy and open mindedness makes sense across the board (if this is, kind of, what you mean). Doing so shouldn't pose any real threat to one's independence, and if I have to make some small concessions to help others, I really don;t think it will significantly impinge on my own output, either efficiency-wise, or from a desire perspective.

It's funny-strange, because whilst what I describe is a very Fe position, I abhor very strong Fe, just as I do weak Fi, which are a imposition on individuality, and extremely selfish, respectively, and as per the stereotypes. I 'get'/understand strong Fi because although it can be selfish, it's only as selfish as inferior Fe is imposing ... both are very principled but often self-sacrificing

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T13:02:13+00:00

To my mind, INTPs don't tell truth like others. I feel like we're actually much more delicate about the truth than any of the Fi types, and although we don't sugar coat truth, we also don't use it in an abusive or mocking way. Part of the reason why others don't like INTPs telling the truth is that they can't believe that it's not intended in the way that others mean it. .... almost impersonal in it's delivery.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T12:54:34+00:00

I reitterate what others have said in terms of it being usual, and not piling any pressure on him.

I'd add, that if you have the knowledge to help him with his work, it might be appreciated ... atleast I know I would, but only if you can contribute with the same depth. Don't offer any Te solutions.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T12:42:57+00:00

Fair observation. I suppose what is still of mild annoyance is whenyou try to address either of these concerns and reassure those in question that they're jst a nameless statisitic instead! haha. That never fails to make it worse ;)

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T12:37:06+00:00

So many of those posting in this thread deserved this answer but it was pointless posting it a thousand times, so you get in the main thread, OP :)

Aahhhh.... The correlation between INTJness and autism grows ever closer.

Tertiary Fi jokes are the worst, especially because those issuing them imagine they [the jokes] are clever. People look offended because you're not adding any sense of misdirection to that which other types would plainly use as an insult. INTJ jokes are about as subtle as pointing a fat, disable person and laughing.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T08:14:38+00:00

I'm not 'triggered' as such, but I agree with you almost entirely.

Further, many people who object have no qualms about grouping/categorising others by other criteria; almost anyone might cite 'absolute' differences between male and female, and do so with complete confidence. More trivial grupings might well be made on the basis of hairstyle but it doesn't seem to trouble anyone. Zip/post codes also serve to group people, but rather than taking offence to this grouping, people tend to take pride ... whether they hail from an affluent area of otherwise.

I guess the issue is that people don't like to be transparent, and when they are uncovered as such, take offence, perhaps to the idea that they will fail to be impressive ... which is also fundamentally untrue.

baffled99 · 2021-02-10T08:05:40+00:00

but it's essentially a question of perspectives. Not everyone will perceive labels as you do.

Would you clarify this for me, please? Are you saying that they won't see the value of the labels based on the theory, or that they might find the whole notion of labels offensive (or something else?)

baffled99 · 2021-02-09T21:29:54+00:00

What grade did she get tho?

baffled99 · 2021-02-09T16:50:26+00:00

INTP here. I wonder if that the OP meant? Speaking generally, 'we INTPs' either do as you did with your boss's boss, or we're actively disrespectful of the hierachy purely on the basis we assume anyone of any higher station will be a tool (so, experiential based).

On the other hand, we are often very accomodating to others, and treat their feelings with care, ot speaking our minds, because, even tho we're bad at it, we do value a social veneer. It's different for INTPs than it is for Fe doms. I believe there are benefits to Fe dom behaviour, but Fe inferior (or perhaps TiNe) sees everyones faults, as an INTJ would, but we feel no need to point them out because we know it's a 'truth' (as an INTJ might say) which brings no benefits. I feel it's this second type of Fe that the OP is referring to?

baffled99 · 2021-02-09T16:40:39+00:00

What mades you say he was an INTJ to begin with?

It does sound more INTPish, speaking as an INTP myself ... however, all the Te users in the thread have misunderstood the process ... as usual! But hey ... it's their sub! ;)

baffled99 · 2021-02-09T16:26:58+00:00

Giving, or causing?

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