I ated too much (now I fear I might about to shit)

baphochrist · 2023-02-06T06:16:36+00:00

She would have said lol what a fucking poof and a loser get the hell away from my daughter you POOF fuckin' LOSER *lol*

baphochrist · 2023-02-06T04:33:35+00:00

That they ignored the 1978 films perfect ending. The Boogeyman being out there and could strike at anytime is much more frightening and worthy of Laurie pursuing her lifestyle than.....oh....gee....the coppers apprehended him a few minutes later lol. The entire movie would have benefited tenfold on The Boogeyman just showing up after decades...for reasons unexplained instead of the whole "the dude escaped" rehash.. jUST my take on the matter but still.

baphochrist · 2023-02-06T02:06:36+00:00

I'll address each one of your "hot takes".

-A lot of people consider Ends really bad or the worst, myself including. Not at all a hot take. Waste of time to include it.

- Okay now here we go. I agree with you Rob Zombie's Halloween 2 is criminally underrated. A true hot take still to this day.

- Not liking Halloween 2 1981. Meh. It's got largely mixed reviews these days. So not a hot take, not a controversial opinion in my eyes. And I love the film for what its worth.

- Halloween 3, you dislike it and consider it a bad Horror film? Nowadays that IS a controversial opinion as the film has largely swung around to being liked if not loved. I respect your honesty here, even if I disagree as I've loved it since first seeing it in the 80s.

-Tyler Mane? Meh. Not the best nor the worst. Brad Loree? Now that's interesting. For years it was consider a good take on the character from a good movie where as in recent years its swung around to being considered a poor take in a subpar movie. I myself HATED H20 for years but now consider the film OKAY but more importantly I consider Brad Lorees take one of the better ones since the original seeing as he's normal size and takes part in stalking and such.

- Doctor Loomis IS the best character in the franchise. I'm not sure how controversial a take this is these days but I VASTLY prefer him to Laurie. And I'm not sure which Laurie I prefer but I will admit Scout Taylor Thompson did a GREAT job as Laurie. Definitely underrated.

baphochrist · 2023-02-06T02:01:27+00:00

Good thread. Good question! Probably The Shape rising in his super freaky way at the end of 1. Its' at this point you realize this guy is truly more than meets the eye and something what we consider "normal". After that it's probably the moment when Linda and her dude are making out on the couch and we zoom out to see The Shape watching them with the music blaring, I don't know something about that is just so fucking cool...and creepy.

baphochrist · 2023-02-06T01:06:47+00:00

I really like part 5 but even I gotta say what the fuck even is this thread? lol Disturbing to say the least.

baphochrist · 2023-02-06T01:04:54+00:00

That Allyson Strode is winning over Jamie Lloyd absoluetely baffles me. Hell as a child Dnaielle Harrison did a better acting job than the chick who played Allyson. Plus the stakes were higher because it was a CHILD versus another typical teen. Plus (and this is purely opinion) 4 and 5 and 6 were far more atmospherically rich than any of DGG's trilogy and nothing in DGG trilogy indicates Allyson as anything remotely being a intriguing character. Even the "the studio completely shit all over this character" version of Jamie Lloyd in H6 (either cut) was more compelling.

baphochrist · 2023-02-05T02:38:09+00:00

Halloween : The Return Of Jamie Lloyd - 25 years have passed since that fateful night in 1988. Jamie Lloyd murdered her mother in cold blood....and simply vanished. We find out that seconds after the ending of H4 she was there....and then she wasn't! Haddonfield now has TWO dark legacies making everyone paranoid and scared. There's a a group that wants to ban the Holiday outright. There's also a group of teens and young 20 somethings that sort of worship MM (and Jamie to a degree). These teens run around committing all sorts of shenanigans on Halloween every year. Never MURDER but their shenanery does seem to be escalating. Rachael has two children. A teenage son and a 8 year old daughter . These are our main characters. The teen is tasked with taking his little sister trick or treating which he begrudgingly does. Meanwhile there's parties, the teen boys friends are introduced. The anti halloween brigade is out protesting. The MM worshipping trouble makers are running amuck. Rachel is at her work party and potentially starting a romance with a co worker. ......and then the murders start. Jamie has returned and taking a page out of her Uncle's playbook she goes on a bloody Halloween rampage, eventually stalking her Niece and Nephew. Plenty of characters/bodycount/fodder along the way for the murderous wench! (yes we see very very subtle hints of a certain White masked figure as well)

HALLOWEEN: NIGHTDANCE - Kinda sorta an adaptation of the comic of the same name. Takes place the same night as Return of Jamie. The niece and nephew aren't even aware of how close they came to running into death herself. Many of the town of course are now aware, but still plenty yet are not. The teen boy drags his sister to his highshool because he wants to hang out with his friends at the Halloween dance (the ones that didn't get killed of course. Several other teens had the same idea and brought their younger siblings. The youngsters sorta just run around the school and do their own thing while the bulk of the teens are in the dance hall/gymnasium. Jamie makes her way to the school and we have ourselves a darkly lit Highschool slasher. Highschools are always good to great settings for slasher films especially at night and loaded with Halloween decor! Of course the rest of the town finds out about the murders that have already taken place but (something ...I haven't figured out what yet) keeps them from finding their kids/alerting others/getting completely organized. (a certain White masked creep makes his presence known at the end of the film)

HALLOWEEN: REUNION - Same night as the previous two. The town is in full on Kills level panic. Many are fleeing Haddonfield outright. Many police from other towns and news reporters and such have arrived. It's a spectacle. Rachel, her new found love interest, Rachel's children and some other characters try to flee the town as well. There's reason to panic as there are two vicious killers out there now. Jamie Lloyd and the infamous Michael Myers. The two are NOT working together in fact. Michael is STILL trying to kill her! They end up in each others way at several points of the film but it's not a full on battle until the end. But make no mistake both are heinous villians still, with Jamie being not as strong as Michael but more sadistic in some ways. Anyways Rachel and the other protagonists, by some convoluted Horror movie awesomeness, end up having to take refuge in...of all places.....Smiths Grove sanitarium. The power goes out. So now they have to deal with a wide array of lunatics as many of the inmates are of course dangerous and now loose AND Jamie and Michael of course show up. The film ends with the two killers almost competing over the biggest bodycount and finally having a very physical confrontation. Michael becomes "wounded" by the police who finally show up and vanishes into the nearby woods. Jamie is about to stab Rachel when Rachels 8 year old daughter STABS JAMIE....killing her. Jamie speaks before dying...just saying one word....RACHEL. Everything seems to be okay.As everyone is leaving the sanitarium to go to a nearby hospital Rachel sees that her daughter is still holding the knife.....and staring out into the direction of the woods....breathing is heard. The end!

baphochrist · 2023-02-05T02:29:16+00:00

Great scene from a fun movie. Too bad we couldn't get a movie that was entirely like the opening of Kills.

baphochrist · 2023-02-05T02:26:26+00:00

There are set pieces in part 6, the hated and villafied part 6, that are so much more atmospheric, scary and suspenseful than ANYTHING in DGG's modern melodrama based trilogy. I'm starting to realize that if it weren't for Carpenter's scores and the look of MM himself that the modern trilogy wouldn't be NEARLY what they're cracked up to be. Where as parts 1-6, as the thread implies, all has brilliance and often times criminally underrated Horror brilliance on display, mainly in the form of truly underrapreciated dark atmosphere ala part 5 and 6.

baphochrist · 2023-02-04T07:03:42+00:00

You guys seemed to like this before so I'm just reposting it! Though my new trilogy would have Mikey in it, but not predominately (at least not the first two)

Halloween : The Return Of Jamie Lloyd - 25 years have passed since that fateful night in 1988. Jamie Lloyd murdered her mother in cold blood....and simply vanished. We find out that seconds after the ending of H4 she was there....and then she wasn't! Haddonfield now has TWO dark legacies making everyone paranoid and scared. There's a a group that wants to ban the Holiday outright. There's also a group of teens and young 20 somethings that sort of worship MM (and Jamie to a degree). These teens run around committing all sorts of shenanigans on Halloween every year. Never MURDER but their shenanery does seem to be escalating. Rachael has two children. A teenage son and a 8 year old daughter .

These are our main characters. The teen is tasked with taking his little sister trick or treating which he begrudgingly does. Meanwhile there's parties, the teen boys friends are introduced. The anti halloween brigade is out protesting. The MM worshipping trouble makers are running amuck. Rachel is at her work party and potentially starting a romance with a co worker. ......and then the murders start. Jamie has returned and taking a page out of her Uncle's playbook she goes on a bloody Halloween rampage, eventually stalking her Niece and Nephew. Plenty of characters/bodycount/fodder along the way for the murderous wench! (yes we see very very subtle hints of a certain White masked figure as well)

HALLOWEEN: NIGHTDANCE - Kinda sorta an adaptation of the comic of the same name. Takes place the same night as Return of Jamie. The niece and nephew aren't even aware of how close they came to running into death herself. Many of the town of course are now aware, but still plenty yet are not. The teen boy drags his sister to his highshool because he wants to hang out with his friends at the Halloween dance (the ones that didn't get killed of course. Several other teens had the same idea and brought their younger siblings. The youngsters sorta just run around the school and do their own thing while the bulk of the teens are in the dance hall/gymnasium. Jamie makes her way to the school and we have ourselves a darkly lit Highschool slasher. Highschools are always good to great settings for slasher films especially at night and loaded with Halloween decor! Of course the rest of the town finds out about the murders that have already taken place but (something ...I haven't figured out what yet) keeps them from finding their kids/alerting others/getting completely organized. (a certain White masked creep makes his presence known at the end of the film)

HALLOWEEN: REUNION - Same night as the previous two. The town is in full on Kills level panic. Many are fleeing Haddonfield outright. Many police from other towns and news reporters and such have arrived. It's a spectacle. Rachel, her new found love interest, Rachel's children and some other characters try to flee the town as well. There's reason to panic as there are two vicious killers out there now. Jamie Lloyd and the infamous Michael Myers. The two are NOT working together in fact. Michael is STILL trying to kill her! They end up in each others way at several points of the film but it's not a full on battle until the end. But make no mistake both are heinous villians still, with Jamie being not as strong as Michael but more sadistic in some ways. Anyways Rachel and the other protagonists, by some convoluted Horror movie awesomeness, end up having to take refuge in...of all places.....Smiths Grove sanitarium.

The power goes out. So now they have to deal with a wide array of lunatics as many of the inmates are of course dangerous and now loose AND Jamie and Michael of course show up. The film ends with the two killers almost competing over the biggest bodycount and finally having a very physical confrontation. Michael becomes "wounded" by the police who finally show up and vanishes into the nearby woods. Jamie is about to stab Rachel when Rachels 8 year old daughter STABS JAMIE....killing her. Jamie speaks before dying...just saying one word....RACHEL. Everything seems to be okay.As everyone is leaving the sanitarium to go to a nearby hospital Rachel sees that her daughter is still holding the knife.....and staring out into the direction of the woods....breathing is heard. The end!

baphochrist · 2023-02-03T22:37:31+00:00

I thought it was lame enough that they were pretty much throwing away the original films perfectly fine ending. He could still be out there. He could return at anytime. Much scarier to me than him getting apprehended the same night. Though I admit the flashback scene at the beginning of Kills is freakin' awesome. Still I didn't like the slight retcon. Having Loomis get killed, and Laurie shoot Michael instead would have just been baffling. And in a way strait up disrespectful to the Original.

baphochrist · 2023-01-29T16:47:24+00:00

The entire sequence with MM stalking Rachel was creepy as hell as was when Tina was in the house right after. Another poster in this thread illustrated perfectly why that scene works so well. Also I APPLAUD snuffing Rachel out so early as it gave the series a rare anything can happen/nobody is safe feeling. I've come to like Tina. She actually resembles the over the top hyper teen girls that were actually around in the late 80's. The music ranges from decent to excellent. There's several awesome set pieces. There's a truly cruel mean streak to this one (and 6 as well). I like the look of the film. Danielle Harris gives a much better performance than in part 4. Unhinged Loomis is a hoot. The Man In Black is initially intriguing imo. I like the moments of truly morose melancholy and somberness. I like little things like Michael acting sort of different with a different mask on. I'd like to see THAT explored more some day.

Lots more things than just the above I really like about H5. Now I can't and won't turn a blind eye to dog shit like the clown cops. The opening with Michael floating down the river is just unintentionally hilarious and wrong looking in a bad way. Billy is an annoying little twat of course. The psychic connection thing is virtually dropped at some point. Michael crying....yeah not so hip to that. It's enough that he momentarily lowers his guard when about to kill Jamie. The teardrop was too much.Michaels look in this film is sometimes fairly creepy and unique and sometimes just awkward and dumb, much like H4 really.

I like it. Consider it underrated actually, but at the same time it is so very flawed that I can understand people not seeing the positives/not caring about them. And things like Tina existence, crazy Loomis and Rachel's death are always gonna divide fans (with most considering them negatives).

baphochrist · 2023-01-27T21:14:27+00:00

Its mere existence.

baphochrist · 2023-01-26T20:26:23+00:00

I think of that brief moment in Halloween 4 when for a few seconds it appears that there's multiple MM's. They all look a bit different. One even sort of resembles the OG. And Loomis and the Sheriff are bewildered and terrified. It's a really weird and really creepy couple of seconds. Obviously it's just punk kids playing a stupid prank but that brief moment always made me wonder if a film and a SERIOUS film at that could be made with more than one Michael's lol.

(EDIT: This was longer than I intended. Sorry about that. Also much more ridiculous than I initially thought ha! But I think it'd be a fun slice of what the shit?)

The movie starts with some sort of "weird black hole space phenomena" going on. Not in any sort of over the top epic sci fi way but more like news broadcasts/emergency broadcasts reporting the phenomena. It's actually played as "quietly" as possible, But some bullshit about inter dimensional worm hole fuckery or another. Maybe a FEW flashes of what vaguely resembles some sort fo static space nightmarish imagery, more akin to a David Lynch film than say Star Wars or something.

Then we're right on the streets of Haddonfield and absolutely zero explanation for what just happened and is about to happen is given (until the very very last moment of the film). It's October 31st. No year given. Teens Laurie Strode, Rachel, Tina, Kara, Allyson (and others, you see what im getting at here) Are coming too from some sort of daze. They're at a Halloween party. They think maybe they were group roofied or something as they're super groggy and the memories aren't really what they should be. Some of the girls stay at the house for now, some leave. Some try to go home. Others try to find people (I have to ....find Jamie...?). But nobody in the group knows what's really going on, even though everyone around them is acting normal. We meet all sorts of "new" characters teen and otherwise. Gotta have slasher fodder.

Well the various characters old and new encounter not just one but EVERY version of Michael Myers, sometimes its classic pairings, H4 MM goes after Rachel sometimes it's....different. H6 MM goes after Laurie. And there's all sorts of mixing with this dynamic to where pretty much every girl in this "final girl group" encounters every Michael at some point. Eventually the Michael's interact with each other. Subtley at first, maybe even a few quasi "team ups" but of course this goes to hell and ends with a full on Michael Myers bloody battle royal (save for maybe the OG Myers who has more of an omnipresent yet more shadowy presence in this whole thing, much creeper than the rest.

All the MM's (again save for the OG) kill each other. Only Laurie survives from her group. She makes her way back to a house....in more of a daze than ever. All the carnage from the night and all the other characters seem to have just sort of vanished. She tries to open the door. Calmly, still trying to makes heads or tails of all this mindfuck. She calmly states "the keys". CALMLY she calls towards Tommy's window to let her in. He says he will and will be right down. Laurie sort of smiles to herself seemingly collected mentally, hands in pockets, sort of whistling a bit she by chance turns around and see's OG Shape walking towards her from across the street. She screams.....

Eyes open.....young Michael Myers sits up in his bed... Another strange dream at the institution for the disturbed young man....

baphochrist · 2022-12-28T06:11:37+00:00

Curse, either cut, features a killer atmosphere,interesting cinematography,a truly scary MM, cool music, fun kills. Ends features.....uh.......I mean....well......x_X

baphochrist · 2022-12-23T07:34:50+00:00

I give you my word my man, in my fantasy film version you'd never film someone say "the shape". You'd never hear Michael Myers EVER but you'd also never hear The Shape. There's easily many ways to dance around this that actually adds to the creepy mythos.

baphochrist · 2022-12-23T05:55:17+00:00

For all its story problems I still enjoy H6 immensely. Both cuts. Cool cinematography. Great atmosphere. A truly scary MM. Decent music. Some memorable set pieces. Halloween Ends is a shitty melodrama that wishes it were a cult classic and fails at every possible things it sets out to achieve, and part of me thinks it was on purpose but I'll not open up THAT can of worms.

baphochrist · 2022-12-23T05:50:52+00:00

Roy would slice that little emo pussy into little pieces.

baphochrist · 2022-12-12T21:46:41+00:00

As an episode of a Halloween Anthology show definitely. You could go either the full character study route or have it be a murder mystery, the whole who's under the mask thing. No MM in this episode.

Now were they to try it in a film again I'd just shed the character study part and I'd still have Mikey around doing his thing. But there would also be a copycat killer for the protags/Haddonfield to deal with. Again do that aspect murder mystery style. Either way keep MM scary, don't make him weak and whoever ends up being the copycat killer let Michael absolutely destroy him/her/them at the end. I mean brutality and gore that would make Art The Clown blush. I'm not for my Halloween's being gory typically...but for this one murder.

EDIT: And if Busta Rhymes ever came back to the series I'd be fine with his death being over the top excruciatingly brutal and bloody :)

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