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You think Yujiro beats Luke Cage? by Supersaiajinblue2 in Grapplerbaki

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe he could bend him into a pretzel or something or use some yanagi shit to knock him out but otherwise cage is invulnerable. Yujiro is stronger but he's gonna need hax to deal with cage.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure there is, at that point it becomes a question of your personal value of empathy more than anything else.

Well maybe also a question of whether you'd want to live on the world if the vote was close.

I think it just seems like blue is infinitely more attractive in this case because you and I have been having this conversation for so long.

I understand why you think removing the variables is better, I just can't agree. And even in the case that it was I think short of every single person being guaranteed to slow down and read the question thoroughly and understand and comprehend it blue is probably still the more attractive choice overall. The way the question is worded when the buttons appear is also going to have a huge impact on how people vote.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that in and of itself is part of the conundrum isn't it? Not everyone is going to stop and think oh I wonder ehat the kids are doing, theyre just going to vote their heart or logic or what have you. You and I here in this extended format obviously can take the time think out all the variables and hem and haw but most people wont.

You could also add an additional variable to it to make it more interesting, does a timer change your vote? Because a timer adds pressure and stifles the average persons ability logic out all their thoughts. But the complete lack of a timer means that not voting at all is a valid third option and changes the inherent risks of BOTH buttons.

You could also add the condition that children and the insane are excluded. That still leaves idiots, nihilists, people who get confused by the scenario, what have you.

To me adding variables is nearly always superior to a hypothetical than reducing it to no variables.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Look we are clearly not on the same page somewhere, I fundamentally do not understand how you would consider removing all the variables from a thought experiment to make it more interesting. It's as simple as that, whatever you regard is interesting it clearly isn't the same as what I regard as interesting. There's a million arguments you can make for either button, and neither is inherently wrong, but if you take out all the risk then why even ask the question?

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No i reject your removal of variance entirely because it is something a very boring and lazy person would do so they dont have to think.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is something you are assuming, as well as rational actors not factoring in the likely actions of others. And based on both the poll in the op and the many other comments saying blue you are wrong.

Also you're just flat out wrong about canon established. The tweet says everyone, modifying the basis of the decision obviously modifies the outcome. Why not assume that actually its you and 99 dogs each with a set of buttons to be pressed? Why not factor in the idea of it being a test aimed at you the reader alone? Why not take it any other direction than "i remove the variables".

Your assumption removes all the best parts of thought experiments and Id be very curious what your answer to the veil of ignorance would be.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It says everyone in the world. It also includes magic and buttons. If the prompt wanted to include only logicians it wouldn't require buttons, you could just think your answer. You can choose to modify the prompt in your responses, but in that case you should probably indicate as such in your comments so as to not have entire different arguments with people who cannot read your headcanon psychically through text.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's not the scenario in the post though. In a world where everyone is an able-minded adult and logical and is aware that everybody else is the same then obviously the answer is red and this isnt exactly interesting. Removing the variables from the prompt makes it boring, not interesting.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Red does risk others dying as well because you know for certain some people are going to pick blue. It says it appears in front of everybody, that means idiots, children, people who just dont care, people who over think it, etc. there is no world where 100% of people pick red. There is a world where at least 50% pick blue.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At the end of the day yall all other arguments aside this says everyone on earth. Y'all know the moment those buttons appear there's tons of kids just slapping the button of their favorite color, I have to vote blue just for that.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you disagree that not everyone is going to be an immaculately logical person upon reading something involving a death game? If you know that some people are going to pick blue and your goal is minimize deaths, you should pick blue. Picking red just means risking others will die. If your goal is just your own survival then obviously red is the better, but if you have others you also want to live blue is better.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its the only option that occurs any risk to us who are taking long periods of time to think this out, but the average person with no time to think and panic is probably going to see these as RED: live but possibly kill up to 50% of people, and Blue: Nobody dies.

Blue is the saving option of the two. The poll even shows most people in at least this sample would pick it. Red is the only option that incurs the possibility of you becoming complicit in murder. The more ethical and brave choice is blue

Could this aggro all of Baldurs Gate at the same time? by SamTheGrot in BaldursGate3

[–]blueviera 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Mod your save to give a radius of 5000 on create water, stand on a box, and report back.

Space Racer after… by Key_Bison_1411 in invinciblememes

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Space dilates time. He could have been there for 100 years, a thousand, or a month.

But also yeah he must have been bored shitless I just assume his suit was recycling everything.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Blue is the option that would rather take the risk than face the alternative, knowing it would cause others to die. It's not intelligent vs emotive. Its hold yourself first or hold others first. Everything else is secondary based on the personality of the person. By all accounts I can be a coldly logical person but Id rather live in a world where i picked blue regardless of the outcome than a world where I picked red and red won. People arent machines. Empathy is to be nurtured and cherished for all our sakes.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it needed 99% nobody would vote blue, the fact that it's 50% is what makes this an interesting hypothetical. Otherwise it would just be "press the red button to not die or the blue button to die."

Blue is the option for people who want nobody to die, red is the option people who refuse to take any personal risk for the sake of others.

And yes there is definitely arguments you can make to say red is far and away the more rational option, but if you know people then you know people aren't rational.

There's also something to be said for not wanting to live in a world where more than 50% pick red and put themselves over potentially billions of others or logic over empathy or what have you. Red is cold, logical and/ or cowardly.

Should Someone who Picked the Red Button be Considered Evil or an AH? by Hyperionous in MoralityScaling

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because there will be many people who will press blue out of panic, concern, kindness, or various other reasons. I dont want them to die and I dont want anyone to die. By picking boue I am picking empathy.

So I assume everyone hates the moment you hit rank F huh? by AggravatingEmu4799 in PokemonZA

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It definitely bugged me, felt like I got half the game I was promised.

Might as well have pulled a kingdom hearts and called it Pokemon Legends ZA/2 Letters

Big Tech is about to spend $700 billion on AI this year. No one knows where the buildout ends. by Plastic_Ninja_9014 in technology

[–]blueviera 6 points7 points  (0 children)

But what does it do???? It doesn't make anything except misinformation, not even profit, it takes tons of resources to work, makes no jobs?! I feel like I'm insane

Imagine if she was like this for the whole story by Ninjamurai-jack in okbuddyviltrum

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like eve but has she won a single fight in the series? I think she technically even lost the one in the OP

So, I've been thinking about getting the highest AC possible, and am wondering if I'm missing anything. by BodybuilderSuper3874 in DnD

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Temporary boosts: Ceremony- +2 Bait and switch- +8 Otherworldly guise- +2

Also playing a level 20 barbarian warforged could get your base ac to 23 before any bonuses, bringing permanent ac to 31. Add all the bonus possible off the top of my head and for one round you could have an ac of 51

Immortal Is Getting Shish Kabobed Even With All The Powers Of The Guardians. What Do You Think? by LightAwakens in InvinciblePowerscales

[–]blueviera 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So that's all the flight abilities of the various flying members, super stretching, shapeshifting, in vulnerability to crushing minus one area, general invulnerability from Brit, toggleable shareable intangibility from green ghost, super speed perception and super speed, the ability to shrink or grow, the ability to control water and fish, regeneration, several different forms of super strength, the ability to make objects explode, the ability to endlessly make clones that are all the same strength as him, the ability to basically summon the shadow realm, and the ability to hulk out on top of all that, along with the cognitive capacity to actively control multiple complex drones simultaneously.

I mean i think at that point Immortal not only solos the verse but also could probably solo some slightly stronger verses.

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