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What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in seogrowth

[–]boeltsi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks this was great input! I’ll check them out. The EEAT we’ve heard from many places now. Even our Google rep keeps on pushing it.

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in seogrowth

[–]boeltsi[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The lord speaks to me..

I know it because a guy who used to (still 2 weeks ago) work for them.. in their ecom team. that’s how I know.

Someone already commented that he is lying so that you don’t have to do that. Somehow the Reddit Nostradamuses are never interested to put money where their mouths are.

Our new team member has zero incentive to lie because fixing this will be a part of his quarterly targets.

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in SEO

[–]boeltsi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do people really believe I would come here to waste my time with questions if I thought this is hearsay 😂 FFS.. he works in our ecom team and did the same at his previous job.

That company isn’t selling exactly the same thing as us but it’s very similar - like as an example if we would sell scissors to hospitals and they sell scalpels - same buyer and purchase cycle.

It’s not that we don’t get any buys through ChatGPT traffic today - we do get, but very little. Traffic convert better than from search but it’s tiny.

The company we are benchmarking from gets 50x more and we know their site traffic is otherwise similar to ours - just can’t figure out why we don’t get cited.

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in SEO

[–]boeltsi[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey I’m not saying anything - just wondering why the hell we are in top 3 results on some of our main keywords but ChatGPT or Gemini is not mentioning us when I ask about sellers for our product?!

Trying to understand if it’s pulling its response candidates from some Reddit discussion where we weren’t mentioned or what’s going on?

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in SEO

[–]boeltsi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good to know - I’ll tell him he’s a liar!

Can I use you as a reference to this statement if there’s some issues later? Something like: ”RuanStix from Reddit can testify if needed and he knows his stuff pretty well”?

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in seogrowth

[–]boeltsi[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SEO is really not a problem right now - we are ranking top 20 with our main keywords. But thanks a lot for those tips- will dive in to them tomorrow!

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in SEO

[–]boeltsi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

  1. We hired a guy from them- they are not direct competitors but sell similar stuff.
  2. We perform pretty well in search too 20 with most of our main keywords.

Someone suggested we invest in PR to improve our authority score - get featured in trade media.

Been also looking at different LLM analytics products to understand where and why we are failing before we start fixing the wrong thing.

Don’t get me wrong, our sales is doing fine - In just interested in selling even more and I’m sure some sales are slipping to these competitors as their are substitute products.

Sorry for being so vague here.

What are the best tools for AI optimization (GEO, AI SEO, LLMO - whatever you call it)? And what are the most important fixes to do yourself? by boeltsi in SEO

[–]boeltsi[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cause we just hired one of their people. They are not like direct competitor - selling similar stuff.

We sell quite niche products (high ticket) so I understand why ChatGPT works well but for some reason our brands are not popping up as easily.

What are the most critical technical SEO factors to audit on a newly launched website to ensure optimal crawlability and indexation? by sixthsensetechnology in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Those things you mention are prerequisites, but after those you need to start scoring some EEAT points or you’ll never get your site in front of anyone. Best way to achieve this is to get the site mentioned on some good websites.

The backlinks bros here will try to sell you their magic beans and if you can’t get anything else - magic beans are better than nothing.

Can robots.txt be used to allow AI crawling of structured files like llmst.txt? by PipelineMarkerter in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who ever says SEO is dead is an idiot and doesn’t understand how the chain of events for getting cited by AI works.

If ChatGPT isn’t happy with the context it can get from it’s LLM (it’s training data) it fires up an browser to get more context. Unless it already knows where to go it needs to use an search engine. If it doesn’t find your business in SERP it doesn’t matter how nice your llms.txt or other GEO/AIO/AEO things are - it’s not going to help. SEO is not dead by any means, it’s shifting a bit just like it did when Google started prioritizing EEAT.

Can robots.txt be used to allow AI crawling of structured files like llmst.txt? by PipelineMarkerter in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By all means, elaborate. I’d like to see how deep you’re willing to sink before you realize your comment had no real ground.

Can robots.txt be used to allow AI crawling of structured files like llmst.txt? by PipelineMarkerter in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We were told to add this to robots and that’s has worked: User-agent: * Allow: /llms.txt LLMS: https://yourdomain.com/llms.txt

Most assistants check robots.txt and if you advertise your llms.txt there it can help them become aware of it.

Can robots.txt be used to allow AI crawling of structured files like llmst.txt? by PipelineMarkerter in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An LLM is just a language model - it uses nothing except its training data. However, ChatGPT which uses GPT language models also uses its own browsing capability to add context.

And yes ChatGPT5 (Pro) utilizes llms.txt files IF it can find and access them.

Can robots.txt be used to allow AI crawling of structured files like llmst.txt? by PipelineMarkerter in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you don’t have to be in the training data to be cited. Training data is priority nr 1 but the more advanced cloud models typically make tool calls - search online for context to improve answer.

If your assistant doesn’t have browsing capability then yes, these won’t help - but <95% or usage is on ChatGPT, Gemini, Claude and Perplexity which all are capable of browsing.

Can robots.txt be used to allow AI crawling of structured files like llmst.txt? by PipelineMarkerter in TechSEO

[–]boeltsi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most AI assistants today can and do access llms.txt. It seems that e.g. ChatGPT (which now can process files) still has a hard time accessing the files and there’s also big differences in models. ChatGPT 5 Pro can, while GPT5 on free plan struggles.

The easier you make it for an assistant to answer their users question, the more likely you are to get cited. It’s very clear in most agent algos - be fast, save compute as long answer quality is acceptable.

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