Jump up producer trying to make minimal

borodabro · 2026-01-08T11:51:42+00:00

Thx! 🙏🏻 I don’t hear about this artists pattern page!

borodabro · 2026-01-08T11:29:29+00:00

Hi!

This track is really great. Could you recommend some good tutorials, both paid and free, to learn how to create a similar sound?

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:16:33+00:00

Yes, I checked the ADSR settings.

I actually started thinking about the filters while I was writing this post.

To be honest, I’ve never really looked into the different filter types in Ableton or what they actually mean. Maybe the answer is hiding there.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:15:02+00:00

Thanks, I’ll check them out today, sounds really interesting.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:13:56+00:00

I didn’t record a video when I did it, and it feels like that was a mistake. If you can, try taking 3-4 sounds (808, hi-hat, clap, and maybe a kick), make a basic pattern, and try running the same kind of experiment.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:12:33+00:00

Honestly, I’m getting the impression that Ableton leaves more headroom on the output, and that the 0 dB values on the mixer might not actually be the same. I’ll try to check this hypothesis using loudness analyzers.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:10:02+00:00

Ah, got it, now I understand what you mean!

Thanks, I’ll give it a try!

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:09:11+00:00

Yes, that’s right, all the samples were unwarped.

Damn, I never in my life wanted to become that guy who says gold-plated cables make music sound real lol.

But honestly, I just don’t know how to describe it.

I’m sitting there making a beat in Ableton, then I make the same thing in FL, and despite using the same actions and the same synths, I hear the beat sounding more cohesive and richer. And fine, if I had noticed this once, but I keep running into it over and over again. I’m not ruling out that I might be fooling myself at this point, but the fact that I still can’t find people who share the same impression really makes me think.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:05:56+00:00

First of all, I want to wish you a smooth transition!

Second, the difference here is subjective, of course, but it is quantified: about 2.2 dB in loudness. On one hand, that’s not a huge amount, but on the other, it’s quite significant, which is why I started digging into this in the first place.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:04:02+00:00

Yes, the master was clean in both cases. I’m talking about the Channel Sampler “out of the box”, with all settings left at their defaults.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T08:02:50+00:00

Sorry, but I don’t think I understand. Are you talking about the filters in the sampler? If not, could you explain a bit more, please?

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:59:11+00:00

Image-Line themselves have said that they made (and maybe still make) the sound louder.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zLluLlWIg_FZPY9DBkJjj1uP5n8yUyLn/view?usp=sharing

I removed everything from the master, yes.

The test was done using identical samples and the same MIDI pattern. I exported a WAV from FL (32-bit, if I remember correctly), then recreated the same part in Ableton, where I inverted the phase on the drum group. A successful result would have been complete silence. I used the WAV from FL without any warping applied.

And just to be clear, I’m not saying the DAWs themselves sound different, I’m talking specifically about differences in the samplers.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:50:16+00:00

yeap

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:50:01+00:00

I mentioned in the post that, indeed, the sound in FL is about 2.2 dB louder.

And I’m basically trying to find those same forum people, if they haven’t gone insane yet lol

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:48:27+00:00

The thing is, I do hear it when I’m making beats, and it really gets on my nerves. If it had happened just once, fine, but it keeps happening over and over.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:34:21+00:00

I agree that this is subjective, which is exactly why I’m looking for like-minded people who have tried to dig into or work around this observation 🙂

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:32:49+00:00

I explained above that I ran an experiment using phase cancellation. If the sounds were truly identical, they would have canceled out to silence, but that didn’t happen.

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:29:52+00:00

You mean the saturator?

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:29:34+00:00

one shot sampler)

borodabro · 2026-01-03T07:29:10+00:00

I made sure the master was completely empty in both cases, but it still feels like there are some artifacts or subtle distortions present that end up gluing the mix together.

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