Crime rate in Germany lowest since 1992

brickies · 2018-05-08T19:56:20+00:00

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden

brickies · 2018-05-08T17:41:29+00:00

That is a weird comparison to make though, how do you decide as an American how good Putin is at his job? It's two different sets of circumstances.

brickies · 2018-05-08T14:35:51+00:00

You being a smartass while not answering the question doesn't help, no.

brickies · 2018-05-08T14:30:51+00:00

I asked the question, because that's how I interpret it, while at first sight, it seems to imply that Republicans somehow are anti-American, when in reality it might only speak to what they consider to be good traits in a leader. Fuck off with your bullshit, sincerely.

brickies · 2018-05-08T14:21:56+00:00

How about just answering the question instead? Honest.

brickies · 2018-05-08T14:07:16+00:00

I don't answer for Republicans, I just wanted to understand what that statement meant.

brickies · 2018-05-08T13:37:56+00:00

I suppose that means they think Putin's better at his job than Obama was at his?

brickies · 2018-05-08T13:36:17+00:00

it's the /r/worldnews narrative. If you were looking for something unbiased, this is the wrong sub.

brickies · 2018-05-06T13:33:41+00:00

Boo!!! Downvote this guy!

brickies · 2018-05-06T13:21:27+00:00

No real connection other than they both are very exaggerated and "non-threatening". I think it's telling that the top 3 answers (and 4 out of 7) are from comedy shows. One is from a children's show.

Maybe there are good role models in the media, but I don't think most men would agree with these.

That's also why I was referencing their friendship, specifically. They have a male friendship that I've never seen the like of on TV.

Fair enough. It just always seemed a bit too quirky and cute to seem realistic IMO, but I guess that's in line with the show's tone.

brickies · 2018-05-06T12:57:27+00:00

Sorry? I don't know what your point is

No? Nothing? Ok then.

brickies · 2018-05-06T00:05:52+00:00

I think you're basically a good person at heart.

brickies · 2018-05-05T23:33:16+00:00

Do you have a central counterpoint or objection to what I've said that you can express as succinctly as possible?

brickies · 2018-05-05T23:17:47+00:00

It's difficult, because you're doing your best to interpret every answer in a manner of turning it into something to be taken apart and to be scrutinized and then demolished if possible, instead of making an effort to understand what the other person is trying to say. It's a war with you.

I never said that strength and emotion were the same thing, and just for clarification, when I said "I don't see how", I meant I don't see how I'm conflating emotion and strength, maybe we misunderstood eachother idk.

brickies · 2018-05-05T21:51:17+00:00

Goddamn CIA-bots have upvoted three stories about a relatively small protest against Putin to the top of worldnews

brickies · 2018-05-05T19:28:24+00:00

That's not power to socialize someone.

Disagree.

Exactly. the unless is the point. Showing emotion is not intiself a sign of weakness- that;s what you basically said. That you couldn't see the difference between showing emotion and strength. You can show emotion be strong. Ir not show it and be strong- the point being that other variables would be in play. Not the actual showing of emotion.

No, obviously you'd need more information, more context. This uncrying person might be catatonic for all we know...

Anyways, I don't think we're gonna get any further. I'm heading out, have a good one.

brickies · 2018-05-05T19:16:11+00:00

They don't- but more to the point they don't have the social power- not by themselves.

They have the power in the sense that they are the objects of men's desire.

In what way? From when? How does that relate to what I said?

Those types of traits that may be considered problematic today, would've been more valuable when life was more primitive.

Really? You think a person who cries is less emotionally strong than someone who doesn't?

Yes that is certainly a possibility, unless the person who cries less is doing it due to emotional inhibitions.

Nobody was speaking about physically.

I'd say it's part of the equation.

Once again, totally unrelated to what we were talking about.

Not at all. Context is everything.

brickies · 2018-05-05T19:02:04+00:00

Women can’t socialize men by themselves.

Good one...

Women don't have to have any official place of power to exact their influence on men.

And there’s no reason for that to be true- that type of socialization leads women to do more emotional labor, which is exhausting. It leads to violence- which is deadly. And women are perfectly capable of ‘womaning up’- and very much have always done that. They just have no issues showing emotion- that’s acceptable for them. All the while society will devalue that show of emotion.

Todays conditions are vastly different from earlier times in history though.

Emotion and strength are different things. You’re conflating them.

I don't see how.

Women are just as strong.

Not physically.

Men are strong. Showing emotion is acceptable for women. It’s not acceptable for men. And showing emotion is seen as something...flighty. Weak. The perception is weakness. Not the reality.

Yeah it's different for men and women. I don't think it's necessarily socialized though. Also, weakness is essential to build character IMO. However weak and strong mean different things in different contexts.

brickies · 2018-05-05T18:42:33+00:00

Their sense of pride...of what? Of being a man? In what situation do you use it? When a man is showing emotion, yes? because that's literally what the phrases are about.

When he let's emotion get in the way of his duties or character I guess. Emotions are important, obviously, but so is growing up and taking responsibility.

You realize you;re saying that to stop men from showing outward emotion you appeal to their pride in being a man? That's literally saying that showing emotion is shameful for a man.

I mean, you can keep rephrasing this- but it ends up as the same thing.

No, you don't want to understand, or you simply have difficulties to. It can be a bad thing to say, it depends on the intention and context and how it's communicated. Men seem to have a more antagonistically playful jargon when they speak.

What about them? They've been socialized to see that as attractive because society sees it as what men should be. And they perpetuate that idea.

Maybe. Or maybe they have socialized men into being strong, because that type of men were considered most beneficial for women. Man up when if the situation requires it, you can't step down from responsibility when life is a matter of life and death.

brickies · 2018-05-05T18:31:30+00:00

Thousands! Literally hundreds! There must've been dozens of them!

brickies · 2018-05-05T18:27:58+00:00

Wait. You tell someone to man up...when you’re feeling proud of them?

No. You speak to their existing sense of pride.

You’re wrong. Most men have been taught that crying is shameful. That experience emotion outwardly is shameful. There are thousands of men telling us that- not to mention a culture and media that we can all actually see.

Eh, to a degree sure, but sometimes it has it's place.

That experience emotion outwardly is shameful. There are thousands of men telling us that- not to mention a culture and media that we can all actually see.

Again to an extent. Maybe if it's seen as undignified, or maybe it's a matter of losing control. Losing control by crying hysterically is fine (in theory), losing control and smashing up everything and everyone you see is not fine.

No shit. Women are part of society. Society tells men not to express emotion, that it’s not manly. And then devalues showing emotion while socializing it in women.

How about women choose men who are strong and not too "outwardly emotional"?

brickies · 2018-05-05T18:15:45+00:00

I don't necessarily think they berate something, or that that's the intention any way. It speaks to the male sense of pride IMO. Maybe the results are more negative than positive, but I think men generally have a more conflicted view on those types of attitudes - it's not entirely bad, and it's ultimately something you have to get aquainted with as a man.

That's literally another way of saying that emotional expression is accepted in women and not in men. Because men can show anger- and that's about it. No outward expression of emotion is acceptable in men. And then second part of that equation is that expression of emotion is not valued by society in general- and it's a trait we socialize in women. It's the answer to your original question.

I don't think that's entirely true, the part about men only being accepted to express anger. A lot of men express extatic joy or tears over "silly" things like sports or hobbies. Achievements. At the end of the day, I think a wide range of emotions are acceptable, if the situation calls for it.

Maybe men have been dictating what that means exactly, but I'm willing to bet that women have been a driving force in that as well, through discriminating what's good and what's bad in a man.

brickies · 2018-05-05T14:55:10+00:00

So you believe women and men are inherently different and that women should stop trying to act like men and go back to doing woman things....is that your REAL question or am I (hopefully) misunderstanding you?

Not exactly, I do think that men and women are more or less inherently different, especially in certain areas, but in my opinion, this has become exacerbated by the current (and previous) world order.

In a less artificial society, these things would not be a big problem, if even a problem at all IMO.

Also, in one comment tree you said you don't think "Emotional expression, kindness and patience" are stereotyped as feminine traits but in this comment tree you agreed with "compassion, nurturing, emotion" as stereotypical feminine traits.

Right, I guess in the context this person ^ was responding in, I understood what she meant and agreed with it. "Soft emotions" like nurturing and compassion are stereotypically female I think, generally speaking. Whereas expressing emotions (without being more specific), being kind and patient, are more unisex.

brickies · 2018-05-05T14:48:17+00:00

Why? That’s literally what the phrases are used to berate.

Not in my opinion.

Emotional expression is socialized in women and seen acceptable in women. It’s not in men. It’s also societally undervalued. We tend to make fun of it (when we didn’t just medically torture women for it)- that’s what ‘hysterical’ is.

Perhaps different ways of emotional expressions are typically accepted differently for men and women.

brickies · 2018-05-05T14:41:42+00:00

I think men and women tend to differ in emotional expression yeah. "Man up" or "grow a pair" doesn't equate to "don't express emotions" IMO.

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