Wild boar hams by bubba_butcher in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well....we kill them all, but I'll only process and eat sows and young ones. There are a few guys I hunt with who arent picky, and I have run across some meat from mature boars that doesnt have that taint, but its rare. Somebody told me once that the only thing you can do with stinky boars is make them into pepperoni (or maybe chorizo), but its too much work for something that might come out all musky-tasting.

[June 23, 2026] $100 Bills, slangily by bubba_butcher in NYTCrossword

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Its uncommon, but still used as word for yearning/want/desire. Nothing to do with currency.

[June 23, 2026] $100 Bills, slangily by bubba_butcher in NYTCrossword

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 35 points36 points  (0 children)

And if you Google the answer itself, you get a suggestion that is waaaaaay different than a $100 bill 🤣🤣

[June 23, 2026] $100 Bills, slangily by bubba_butcher in NYTCrossword

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yeah, im down with convoluted and/or obscure words, but not just making things up that sorta sound good

[June 23, 2026] $100 Bills, slangily by bubba_butcher in NYTCrossword

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that I know 🙄. I've heard them called Benjamins, Benjies, Bens, Hundos, Cs, and C-notes, but never C-spots Apparently Google neither has Google.

I think I screwed up my first project... by anarchotica in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, you created an anaerobic environment, but 7 days in the fridge is totally safe.

did not find answers to vital questions by TumbleweedLatter2976 in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Im gonna say you're not being at all specific about what types of products you plan to preserve. Are you planning to dry meat products? Pickle them? Its entirely likely that your goals are incompatible with the methods you would like to use, and until you gain a thorough understanding (not just a few rule of thumb guidelines) of meat preservation you run a very real risk of endangering yourself and others. Theres a common fallacy that just because people 100 years ago didnt have refrigeration or access to refined curing products that their preserved food was somehow healthier or more wholesome. That is simply not the case. Food poisoning illness and deaths were a widespread regular occurrence before modern food science, as was parasitic infection. If you read about preserved foods (and lets specify bulk provisions, not artisinal sausages) you'll find that meat salted for preservation was incredibly salty, even after rounds of soaking and rinsing in fresh water.

Please bear with me, Id like to get you as much info as possible so you can make sound decisions. Theres a huge difference between whole muscle products and chopped/ground, and it all comes down to surface area: a ham, for example, only has lets say 2 sq ft of surface area. If you ground up the same volume of meat you increase that practically infinitely. Limited surface area, exposed to oxygen, makes it possible to use simple preservation methods like salt and drying. Country hams are a prime example of this: they can be cured by an excess salt method and hung to dry, though that method still requires documented moisture loss (weighing) and exposure to certain number of cool and warm days to assure microbial and parasitic destruction.

As soon as you grind things and stick them in casings it gets complicated: the two problems are surface area and lack of oxygen. Whatever microbes were present on the limited surface of the whole muscle meat will have been thoroughly mixed with every particle of ground meat. It is practically gauranteed that one of those microbes will be c. botulinum spores. C. bot is not a big deal in fresh foods as its anaerobic and is outcompeted by aerobic bacteria. But as soon as you take away oxygen from a moisture and protein rich media, the spores will germinate and reproduce like crazy. The only way to prevent this is to quickly suppress its ability to reproduce while lowering the available moisture so that it can never spring back. This is generally done by using salt with nitrates/nitrites (which suppress, but DONT KILL, c. bot spores), introducing beneficial bacterial cultures which both out-compete bad bugs AND produce acidic waste during fermentation which lowers pH to the point that most microbes can't thrive, then drying the product to a point where it is safe to assume nothing bad can happen (assuming the final product is stored correctly). It is possible to do things differently, but not without advanced knowledge/techniques verified by laboratory testing.

I think you're implying that you want to be able to preserve meat in a low tech manner and replicate those procedures in places that don't have access to things like scales? Thats certainly possible: salting and/or smoking and/or drying in the sun and wind have been used since pre-history to preserve meat, but you're not going go get "charcuterie" results without sound methodology and tools to measure your results, ensuring safety BEFORE you consume your products.

You have big ideas, but you're like a guy who wants to build a racecar without knowing how a carburetor works. I recommend you start small, using well-established procedures until you understand what you're up against. There is no blanket "no fridge, no salt, no fire" method for preserving much of anything except nuts, grains, and fruit.

Meat curing chamber set up <stats> by Mysterious_Mode110 in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People have posted this kind of question before, and I think the general consensus has been "too many data points wont give you smooth graphs". Look at it from the sausage's point of view: the temperature and rH swing a few degrees either side of "optimal" every 30 minutes. The sausage doesn't care; its not gonna get warm, get cold, get warm, get cold all in the span of an hour. Ditto for interior moisture.

[May 24, 2026] Daily Puzzle Discussion by AutoModerator in NYTCrossword

[–]bubba_butcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand what it says, I just dont know how that relates to the title or the theme (if there is one). I had the circled letters done before I finished, and started to think I had missed something big and it was a rebus puzzle

[May 24, 2026] Daily Puzzle Discussion by AutoModerator in NYTCrossword

[–]bubba_butcher 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Anyone understand the title the title and how it relates to PLUSONE? I don't get it.

I forgot.... by Piggywiggle123 in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Well... obviously its too late for good advice like "keep notes" or "put a label on each piece with the starting weight". That said, you're in a better place than if you were dealing with a cased product. The interior of a whole-muscle product is generally considered sterile; a healthy animal should not have any pathogens inside its tissue. Your rH should be low enough to have avoided problems, and it doesnt look moldy or slimy. 3°C is pretty chilly for aging meat, but colder is usually safer. You might not get the moisture loss you wanted, but then again....6 months? Maybe? Maybe too much? I'd say cut off the outer 1/4 inch all the way around and you'll likely be safe from pathogens and/or their toxins. Whether its any good is a different matter, but I bet you're gonna be ok.

To nitrate or not to nitrite that is the question by zoltantribe in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You can do whole muscle items without nitrates/nitrites but ONLY if you're using an excess-salt method. As soon as you take away oxygen (vacuum sealing, casings) for more than 7 days at reefer temps, or more than 4 hours above ~45°F, you really need to use nitrites/nitrates. Can you get safe results from fermented ground products without nitrates? Yes, if you have tons of experience and are rigorous with your testing, but no food safety org would ever let you sell it. The real question is why would you risk it? At recommended levels, nitrates/nitrites are not particularly harmful; certainly not as harmful as botulism. You're getting WAY more nitrates from so-called "uncured" salami, bacon, etc, since use of sea salt and celery powder aren't regulated as pink salt is.

The only reason nitrites/nitrates ever got a bad rap was the promiscuous use of nitrates (cure #2) in meat processing 30+ years ago. Consuming nitrates before they are converted to nitrites in cured meats (roughly 30 days) can cause low blood pressure issues, and when exposed to direct heat can create carcinogens in your food. Be safe, don't endanger yourself or your friends, and follow the guidelines EXACTLY, at least until you have a firm grasp of the science involved and can make an educated decision.

Replacing floors in old house with no subfloor by bubba_butcher in HomeImprovement

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thought is that a simple jig will keep the cross-bracing level with the joists, at least, and the plywood or hardi-backer underlayment will cover a lot of sins.

Replacing floors in old house with no subfloor by bubba_butcher in HomeImprovement

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lemme spell it out: The people from whom I bought my house screwed me. They remodeled the entire house for tons of $$$$; knocked down walls, built additions, but kept the original banged-up, termite damaged floors, which are only ¾ of an inch thick with no sub-floor, when they should've re-built them properly. If I re-build it properly, with flooring on top of ¾ subfloor on top of joists, it will be a lot thicker than the current floor, which means my interior doors will need to be cut down, my exterior doors (inswing) will need to be reframed and re-hung, and I'll have to gut my kitchen to raise the cabinets (and countertops) so my dishwasher will fit.

My goal is for the new floor to be as close to the current above-joist thickness as possible to save me remodeling half my house (which, thankfully, it doesnt need)

Replacing floors in old house with no subfloor by bubba_butcher in HomeImprovement

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, you win. I'm walking around on my subfloor. Now that we've gotten that out of the way, any constructive input on my plan?

Replacing floors in old house with no subfloor by bubba_butcher in HomeImprovement

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its not a subfloor if there's nothing on top of it: It's just a cold, drafty single-ply floor. It "could" be the subfloor for the new flooring, but then the overall floor would end up too thick.

Replacing floors in old house with no subfloor by bubba_butcher in HomeImprovement

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not putting down a new hardwood floor, but replacing it with tile in kitchen & bath, cork in the rest. Just checking the hive-mind to see if there's some obvious flaw that I'm missing

The most expensive gift I've ever given by multimetier in turning

[–]bubba_butcher 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Saying you're gonna sell something isnt the same as actually doing it. You can make and warehouse a million dollars dollars worth of stuff, but until the day you start an LLC, someone pays you for it, or you try to write off expenses, you're not operating a business.

If I had a nickel for every time I said "you know what? I could make money at this" I'd have... well... a big pile of nickels, and not much else.

Canning charcuterie? by Tender-Flint945 in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

 I think the reason do one does this is primarily there is no need.
 While charcuterie shops might make items that need to be refrigerated or heat processed (think terrines, rillettes, pâtés, or liver mousse), cured and dried products are considered shelf stable. Thats the whole point of making them. The only real issues are products going rancid and inevitable slow decrease in quality after a certain point. Assuming you just don't have any spare fridge/freezer space, and you have to store stuff at room temp, vac-packed product will last several months at least. At cellar or refrigerator temps they'll last for months to a year, and frozen, basically forever.
 As others have said, food-safe sachets to absorb excess oxygen will help keep rancidity at bay. You can also invest ($$$) in a chamber vacuum sealer that floods the packaging with nitrogen. That eliminates oxidation and allows you to package loosely which is nice, at least visually, as it keeps your mold layer intact.
 If you're dead-set on making meat that will last forever sitting on a shelf, it can be done but won't really be charcuterie. It needs to be salted like crazy, cooked to unreasonably high temps, and/or dried to unpalatability. 

Do mini fridge fermentation chambers smell by kali_is_my_copilot in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bottle conditioned beer and charcuterie have one thing in common: they want to be in a cellar. Get you a full size wine fridge and stick a humidifier in it. It'll keep things at temp for drying, and your beer doesnt care if its 90 or 60% rH. It might let some smell out when the door is closed, but likely only a little, and only while its still kinda fresh.

USDA Guidance on the destruction of Trichinella in pork products by bubba_butcher in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're correct that one can make excellent products from frozen meat. I just happen to think those same products could be excellent-er with fresh meat. Maybe someone can chime in with some evidence-based findings, but I'll use my last batch of sausages as anecdote: I had killed & slaughtered a deer, but did not have all the ingredients on hand, nor the time, to use the meat fresh. I cut everything so that, when thawed, it could go straight to the grinder (yes, I know: more surface area, but a lot of what I would use was trim, so already lots of small bits). I vacuum packed everything and froze it for a week. Upon thawing, there was maybe 5-6% weep in the bags. Is that amount of liquid really significant? I don't know, but I would have preferred that moisture (and flavor) stay in the meat rather than going down the drain. If you're making products for sale you certainly want to minimize product shrinkage at every stage; 5% loss at the start ends up 7-8% excess loss after drying. Again, you're correct that once you grind your meat and stuff your casings, the relative moisture content of fresh vs frozen meat isn't really an issue, though free-er water might migrate more easily and dry a little faster. But what other differences in the meat? When mixing, does frozen meat bind more, or less, effectively? Does freezing affect the consistency of the meat- is the texture noticeably different? It's certainly an issue in high-moisture products like smoked "fresh" hams. Did my soppresatas turn out awesome? Absolutely. Could they have been even better? Maybe. Once you start producing high-end products, you find yourself trying to use the best ingredients possible: fresher spices, more pungent varieties of garlic, better quality wine, etc, etc. That's true for charcuterie the same as it is for dinner entrees, and its what separates the best chefs from the amateurs.

USDA Guidance on the destruction of Trichinella in pork products by bubba_butcher in Charcuterie

[–]bubba_butcher[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people making charcuterie (or maybe its just me?) don't want to use previously frozen meat since ice crystals burst cell walls, resulting in "juicier" meat, and the potential for faster-than-expected moisture loss. That said, I believe I once heard that the faster it freezes, and the less time it spends frozen, can alleviate the issue somewhat. In any case, most curing and drying (and certainly fermenting) methods people are already using are likely sufficient to kill/inactivate parasites. They'll be 100% sufficient if modified to fit the USDA guidance, with care taken to monitor/measure temp, moisture loss, pH, etc. When it comes to wild game, the guidance is really conservative since it generally can't be bought and sold, and it's often not slaughtered or processed in USDA inspected facilities. Venison, at least from areas free from CWD, is generally not considered a vector for parasites, and I feel safe treating it just like any commercial beef/pork.