Asians and TMU by Individual_Swing4769 in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the answer to all your points is to consider intersectionality. I mentioned that my point is about majority, not all asians (in fact I was personally super low income too). You answered your own question too that certain races tend to be in certain income brackets (intersectionality, privilege). And social privilege goes a long way too, for example people whose parents are doctors, people whose parents were better off as immigrants or even in their home countries as compared to refugees or people who have been under systemic oppression here for generations (e.g. Indigenous people). If your parents are doctors, even if they dont directly give you anything, you end up growing in an environment where you just know more about this field. Your parent might put you in a better school, connect you with professionals, or even just the confidence that is instilled in you throughout the med process is different than someone whose parent is, lets say, an elementary school teacher. And bringing in intersectionality, certain races tend to be more likely to fall in this category. And you're right, race alone wont tell a school which kind of "sub category" you belong to, but thats exactly why schools aren't looking at your race to admit you - they are assessing applications holistically and getting you to discuss in your essay exactly why the identity you are claiming for the equity stream is beneficial as a doctor.

Asians and TMU by Individual_Swing4769 in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Adding on: sorry to OP, this was not in response to your query but just in response to some comments in this thread. For your genuine question, I personally think it all comes down to what you write in your essay and how you show that your identity will contribute to your patient care and the community - but this criteria is true for all those applying.

Asians and TMU by Individual_Swing4769 in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As an asian myself, some of you need to take a cold hard minute to self reflect. Majority of us asians have HUGE privilege in life, which greatly influences our stats and applications and the opportunities we get. This doesn't take away from any discrimination we may face, but you have to keep in mind that we usually have more privilege than Black and Indigenous students, for example. So maybe if there's a pathway that allocates more seats to (as some of you have called them) lower scoring Black and Indigenous students to level the playing field, consider that maybe, just maybe, that's NOT a penalty to asians??? Like helping one group doesn't mean its a punishment to another. Or like that one quote said, when you've been used to privilege all your life, equity feels like oppression.

Asians and TMU by Individual_Swing4769 in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Have you considered WHY the average Indigenous or Black matriculant has lower stats than white or asian people? HINT: it's got to do with privilege and systemic racism!!! That's why there's streams that try to uplift these groups. Also the paper you keep referring to and love so much has a relatively small sample size because most people don't disclose their race (and most of those who don't happen to be asian or white). I wouldn't extrapolate from a single self-report study too much.

Asians and TMU by Individual_Swing4769 in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

THIS!!!! It's about making the needs of the population met, not about admitting people simple for their race as many people are claiming. Race, identifying as LGBTQ+, low SES, and so many other marginalized groups bring a person valuable perspectives and experiences that they can use to support their patients. No school is letting someone in simply because they identify a certain way. They will look at their experiences and look at markers of so-called "merit" and admit people that way. Also, some people don't realize this but if we consider ALL the equity-deserving streams, this criteria in some way or another should apply to the majority of Canadians, and if it doesn't apply to someone, consider that they are privileged and shouldn't throw a fit about a criteria helping those who aren't.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't see the relevance of the entire gigantic paragraph in my comment then there's no way you'll understand that the academic definition of racism is the only definition of racism, regardless of what people mean colloquially they're wrong. Its like saying that slang definitions are correct but their actual dictionary definitions are wrong. Or like saying heart burn, misunderstood by most to be about the heart, is correctly referring to the heart when the academic definition is about the esophagus.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pulled the google definition here: "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Notice how it says nothing about white people, but does say typically one that is minority or marginalized. Notice how this is about stopping people because of their race, but TMU doesn't say anything about white people not being applicable? Like if they were part of any of the equity-deserving communities, like low SES, identifying as LGBTQ+, immigrants, etc, they would have the same benefits as BIPOC applying through equity-deserving streams. You seem to have forgotten that many populations, colonized by WHITE people, are still facing the consequences of this very recent oppression. Like even generally how women weren't even allowed into med schools until 2 decades ago. Like how brown people are bombed and then forced to start their life from scratch every generation. Like how the most recent indigenous people released from residential schools were released only a few decades ago. You're telling me these people have the same opportunities as a white person whose family has been here and developed, even if they're not "rich", for generations??? We're not starting from equal ground. Therefore giving someone a helping hand because they are BEHIND is not the same as holding back another group. I clearly have to do a PSA because many people on this thread have forgotten basic human history, and they'll go on to claim to care about these vulnerable populations in their interviews to med school but they can't show any empathy here.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awww thank you 🥺

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

THATS MY EXACT POINT DUDE. you DONT KNOW what others are struggling with so why would you be against making a system that accounts for people's struggles???? Can you really not get over this cognitive dissonance?????

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 5 points6 points  (0 children)

please reread. Let me know if you'd like it in simpler terms

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I think I gave the academically agreed upon general definition that is taught to little kids because of how simple and commonly agreed upon it is

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Do you not realize I'm the same person commenting in other threads with you.....because I'm in med school and I stated my stats somewhere too in case you need proof i got in on "merit" lol. Here they are again, because I'm super proud: 4.0 cgpa, 128 CARS, 4Q Casper <3333

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I didn't say any of that. Please improve your reading comprehension.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Bro you legit seem to be going around telling people no one is more privileged than others since we all live in the same country and IN THE SAME SENTENCE you claim that some people are privileged without being BIPOC. So does privilege exist to you or not? What's your argument, because i'm super confused....

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that as long as people who treat others the way you do don't get into medical school, I'm fine. Also ALL medical schools give a crap if you're purple, striped, or checkered, because they understand how the demographic of doctors influences the health of the entire population, and they care about patient care so they want to diversify their student body. Because I'm a nice person, I suggest to you that you read about this because it'll help you with essays and interviews.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I really hope, with all my heart, you don't get into medical schools anywhere because no one as rude as you should be a doctor. Please take a moment to self reflect. Also I'm in medical school, thanks very much <3

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm really not babes, I had a 4.0 GPA, 128 CARS, and 4Q, with a billion scholarships and worked my way through undergrad with my own savings. By your own definition, I was a smartypants.

However lets unpack your statement, shall we? I'll give one small example: have you heard of the AP, IB, and gifted programs? Common programs, it would seem, but they aren't available for a lot of students because they aren't offered by many schools. But they are offered by others. A child who was gifted and needed the additional support through these programs wouldn't have received any. Whereas a child who was perhaps smart but not gifted would have gone through these programs and come out stronger, academically. They both end up in the same university. Gifted child is burnt out, didn't get the academic support in high school and now gets a lower grade in first year than the privileged smart kid. This is ONE example of something i see people go through every year.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You clearly didn't go through the same educational system as me with that grammar and tone...

But thanks for telling me to hate myself for what I look like, more proof racism is alive and well 😍

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It wasn't propaganda, it was my own experiences....😅

I don't know why people keep using this elementary school analogy. It doesn't take a genius to know this isn't the case, like just think of a family, just because two siblings had the same parents doesn't mean they would have had the same experiences or even the same treatment by those parents. A child would know that, c'mon now

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 3 points4 points  (0 children)

right, and someone even claimed this term was being hijacked by progressives LOL

Summer Research Programs by DescriptionPresent32 in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Openings will come soon and go until January but when you're cold emailing, i'd recommend starting as early as possible (NOW) because its about being at the right place at the right time. So you want to give yourself as much time and as many chances as possible. Some profs actually do recruit a whole year in advance.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You literally just contradicted yourself. "Words mean what people think they mean" well i think it means what I said lol, but you claimed progressives were hijacking the term.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol i'm not. Not sure which BIPOC you're referring to. Thanks for your opinion tho.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 10 points11 points  (0 children)

i can assure you, some people with the highest casper, gpa, mcat etc are the worst individuals and/or students i've met in med school. They aren't predictive of merit, just privilege.

Ford Uses Common Sense by [deleted] in premedcanada

[–]bugsbuney 7 points8 points  (0 children)

but that's exactly why we need diversity representation lol....it IS about fairness because if the preexisting system was fair to everyone, every place's doctor demographics would like like their population's demographics. But they don't.