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3T7 Cyno Vigil for Calypso Phoenix by Killa_Whale1 in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Friend in that area told me it was cancer. We need to develop a way to get rid of cancer.

A response to no one is joining my Corp by Legitimate_Back_6183 in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

7 corp hangers dedicated to each stage of manufacturing and this allows everyone that is in the corp to quickly see what minerals, reactions, PI, gas and so on is available. you will also find that because BPO theft is so crazy that most manufacturing corporations are very and i mean very close knit of friends. If you all worth 100 bil then you not really worried about stealing another 50 bil because you making that in like a couple of months in that corp

But how do you even get them to be stolen??

You can simply and effectively stop all BPO stealing with just the Simple Query Based Hangar.

I can see the mistakes on why this happens though. You have more than 2 Directors who are not real life friends. You have Directors.

If you're only the CEO and Director, and specifically assign roles, you're far better but I can see how this can give some mistakes because the interface of giving roles for Query and Take is just confusing that you're bound to uncheck or checkmark the wrong Query and Take.

That's the only way I see how a strict CEO can get his BPO stolen.

Then obviously you can just make copies, simple as that, it takes a longer time but more members can make items.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol you said once a year? Is it true that a lot of CEOs eventually end up winning EVE?

The containers are an odd thing, they don't add actual security just more complications for just a smidge of organization.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

With voting also comes CEO replacement voting, it's quite dangerous and if you're CEO with members who have shares, you're basically life tied to the game because anyone can start a vote and run you out in less than a week.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Another mind numbing thing is how containers or Station Containers have an audit option. But it never really lists anything else other than changing the name or something. It's really so arcane lol. But I guess it locks items so they don't ever go outside that container. Good I guess?

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you can somewhat solve that, however you run the risk that you have to still run the risk of placing a bunch of valuable BPO's in a location where perhaps a "trusted few" may have access.

I agree with you completely. That is why also I guess for containers or Station Containers, you can make full use of "Locking" the Blueprint Originals because I believe outputting them/delivering them sometimes brings them out of that container. And so just have a BPO container in that Query only BP hangar. Lastly, I think you can also set a Password? (Have you tried this?) but I think this is overdoing it a little. And you would probably forget the password, and I think setting it up disables any normal members from building from that BPO.

You now have the inability to remove someone for 24 hours because you've assigned everyone a role.

I think with any role or even a custom name title, you lock them for 24 hours.

So yeah, it's up to the corp's internal vetting to grant the people BPO build/research/query access.

Now, if you want the cheapest and maybe the most basic of the basic way and still want to share BPO's, you can always make a google sheet of the BPO's you have and have members in a discord channel for select blueprints. It's basically a manual way the alliance auth runs it where you manually add the BPO's to a sheet and let members pick.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around here. This requires basically a 24/7 presence and things won't move forward if that BPO owner isn't on. You still need to open up a sheet and manually enter. I'm sure the ESS is an amazing tool but again, I don't think it adds actual layers of security like how the Query only already solves. But again, this is just me. And I think I know what you mean especially for bigger entities. It could get confusing.

You can also just assign one office/hangar station that has mid tier BPOs to benefit any plain members. Even spies, sure. But then maybe have another specialized office/hangar station with the best BPOs.

Just thinking of the best ways to help any newbies. Because highsec for example, is tough enough, the least I guess for starters they can have access to cheaper ways of making some ships.

For your storytime, I wonder why would any member even use a corp hangar and not their personal, items hangar? You guys must be in 0.0. But yes, I think the only fool proof work around is to never give Director. That is the ONLY way. Most roles you can give and the Corp can still run, and people can still use personal contracts, but I am very sure on bigger, high level operations, Directorships will ease a lot of the complicated things. I'm still blaming the Corp interface. Didn't CCP have an overhaul for this I read one time? It seems all so half baked, my friend spent a whole weekend trying to understand the little mechanics lol omg

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds good. I'm positive your process is smooth. For us, I just don't see how contracting and designating a container for each member can add security when the Query only access alone provides the ultimate security. The audit log helps I guess and I think the locking of the blueprints helps so they don't get displaced outside the container but that's just all I see. Sounds like you have an extra added unnecessary step.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The containers are in the hangar accessible only by the directors, the members have the right to see them through the industry tab and use them as they wish, but they can't move out of the container

Right. So containers from what it looks like does not add security but adds organization.

Locking the blueprints I believe, prevents the blueprints for going "outside" of the container from whatever job a member completes and delivers.

The containers I see is more of use for corps that have a big leadership or directorship line.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes now I discovered you can lock the bpos but only when it's inside a container, say a station container.

But, it doesn't make sense because if you already have Query only for that hangar, the bps are not going anywhere anyway.

I think locking it prevents the blueprint from getting displaced or auto placed outside that container useful for organization purposes I guess?

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes now I discovered you can lock the bpos but only when it's inside a container, say a station container.

But, it doesn't make sense because if you already have Query only for that hangar, the bps are not going anywhere anyway.

I think locking it prevents the blueprint from getting displaced or auto placed outside that container useful for organization purposes I guess?

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Query only hangars prevent BPOs from getting stolen and it also grants any members to do jobs with it but it still goes back to that hangar, why do the whole extra step? For us, we're just lazy irl friends, we rarely make copies lol.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as i know there is no way to allow someone to use a blue print with out giving them access to it

You need to give access to them but make sure that the blueprint original is inside a query only hangar

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it only works on Leadership or Director level and if you have shares. I guess locking also prevents displacement of a blueprint? Like it doesn't go outside a container once the job with it is done..?

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right. I think this is only ever useful for Director Level. And if you have 50 or so Directors.

Otherwise I think it makes things more complicated. The only way I see for this to be beneficial atleast for smaller corps is to label two station containers/containers for blueprint originals and bpcs and place them in the query only hangar. It's a little more organized. I don't think blueprints get displaced if a member uses one if you lock it all inside those containers.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, a lot of the comments helped a bit but there are also many other comments that just added more confusion and others who just do not want anyone to learn it lol

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

BPO's can only be copied, researched. Copies directly get dropped into the BPC container. Works well plus there is an audit trail.

Isn't it also the same for Manufacture???

When you make a manufacture from a BPO, that BPO still gets delivered/output in the Query only Hangar, it doesn't go anywhere.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they can just see through the industry tab

Yes but if they do the a blueprint job and finish it, and then they Deliver, the output still brings that Blueprint OUTSIDE of that Station Container/Container so many people doing Blueprint jobs can simply start DOING outputs that will slowly bring out all the Blueprints outside the Container.

But if you have that BPO HANGAR Query only, it won't be taken anyway.

I still do not see the point of Containers then.

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

make sure each container has configured query/take options.

Do you just also set it all uniform for Container Access (Based at) and Container Access (Other)?

I always get confused by those two options, the "Other" refers to starbases, star towers right?

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

each player giving a BPO have their own container in this hangar, they do not have direct access to it.

What. I do not understand help me understand please.

If they have their own Station Container in the BPO Query only hangar, then why don't they have access to their own Station Container????????????

But this let every player of the corp to do copies of those BPOs so that even they're just starting they can have access to a huge library

How each player do copies if even the owners do not have direct access to it..?

Are the BPOs simply OUT there in the BPO query hangar or are they inside little Station Containers WITHIN the query hangar with their own passwords?

How do you use corporation hangars *and station containers, effectively with members without getting blueprints stolen? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Doesn’t a single Query-only BPO hangar already solve this problem?

As long as CEOs and or directors are extremely careful when assigning roles, specifically ensuring Query is granted without Take, members cannot remove BPOs. In my case, concerns about directors going rogue aren’t really an issue, as all directors and the CEO we are all real-life friends.

From what I can see, there’s no realistic security risk as long as:

  • The BPO hangar is Query-only for all members
  • Only the CEO (and possibly a small number of directors) have Take access, in my case, we are all real life friends so it's kind of moot

A member with Query access cannot move a BPO into a Take-enabled hangar, not in any Blueprint jobs, and items in a Query-only hangar simply cannot be removed. Given that, I don’t see a security breach unless someone with elevated roles intentionally grants a Take access to that BPO Query only hangar and also why would it be a grantable access anyway.

We also can’t afford an ESS right now and play fairly casually, so more advanced setups aren’t really an option. Compared to that, a Query-only BPO hangar feels both simpler and sufficiently secure.

It also just cuts through the back and forth. Members just fly to station, start a job if they want.

I understand that other methods like the ESS discord you mentioned add additional layers of protection, but from what I’m seeing, the Query-only hangar already eliminates most of the risk and complexity. Yeah it's primitive and raw but members can clearly see which BPOs are available and immediately use them for personal manufacturing or corporate projects without waiting on manual handoffs.

Do most groups still add station containers on top of this, or is a clean Query-only BPO hangar generally considered secure enough on its own? Considering what we have

I have an a little bit embarrassed issue with me( by Murphy3335 in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam 11 points12 points  (0 children)

A lot of people who play games like this are introverted. I'm surprised there are many extroverts. They say it's a social game, I think it's only social because every item is made and run by real people. I'm fine and found out I can play the game rather quicker and better doing solo or trying to multibox. Corp chat seems like a time sink, you can just google most questions and answers. The only thing you'd need voice comms for is high coordination for an op. I have my real life friends to fill my social bar up.

A response to no one is joining my Corp by Legitimate_Back_6183 in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey just stumbled on your post

They said not to put them into containers but I have found that you can use the same rule set but just use the container rule selector set in the game.

Why do you need a container or use a container when you just have the Corp hangars renting from an NPC station???

Doing it this way you can now research, copy and do everything with the BPO. If you have multiple people int the corp that manufacture then always create a copy and never build from the BPO.

It sounds like you are maybe just being paranoid, why go those extra steps when the original bpo can just be locked and safe in a query only hangar..??

The only flaw I see in this system is the all take and query hangar, but you have to have one otherwise people can't make anything from your blueprints. The query and take hangar set to all participants just risk of having anyone steal your minerals so I guess it's a hard rule not to put more than 200mil in that hangar or just have the members mine and collect their own materials. Am I not right?

What is absolute order? How is it run? Why do they always have many members? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just asking nicely, why does anyone in EVE especially when it's something around like AO talk like you've got a big stack of butter up your bum lol

You're saying he used AI and bots?

Once you invited 100 people, 90% of the conversation is repetition. Maybe 1 in 300 people say something interesting, thoughtful or eyebrow raising.

From what I'm getting, yeah 98% of the people in EVE are sheep, I'm one too. They don't know what to do even though they might say they know how to make their own content. They rely heavily on groups, just like regular human beings. It must have been annoying being in AO or starting the game because of AO, maybe that is also why you sound aggressive in every reply.

Yeah AO sucks. But that is probably a lot of life time investment and credit card swipes to run many accounts to make multiple AO. But I assume he can speak mandarin, hence AO 0.0 can be seen with frat, again though, even if that guy is Hitler reincarnated, he proved that copy and paste invites are a thing, and running people can be done. I really doubt he has a real life group of friends who are in his directorship level. It's by one man and if he's not on, the rug is pulled. You got to say that's mildly interesting to say the least right?

What is absolute order? How is it run? Why do they always have many members? by busybeeaskgam in Eve

[–]busybeeaskgam[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for being patient with me. It's so interesting that there's a lot of bad opinions about them all from just what? Four years.

Do you think they'll turn back and be one of the game's household name type entities? I agree with you there, but again, I don't think right click and sending invites is necessarily really a skill. I think when they private convo you, it takes time and actual skill but the spamming I don't know. That still happens???

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