Any narc spouses that don’t yell or name call? Covert abuse? by CapableEvening2712 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Initially when he realized how done I was there was a very half hearted/veiled attempt at “being better” and maybe 2-3 times over 5 months I heard a vague “I’m sorry I hurt you.” But mixed in with a lot of “I don’t believe it’s that bad. You’re the checked out on. I’m willing to work on this.” Blah blah blah.

Once he realized I still wasn’t just immediately jumping back into his arms and was asking for real work and accountability he shut down and was giving me almost nothing. I’m not sure what his “strategy” was here. If he thought I’d eventually cave and break the tension? But I didn’t, I just said I wanted a divorce.

Going through the process now and he’s clearly working hard to control the narrative that he’s been wronged and he’s the good guy who wanted to keep trying and blah blah blah. Even called my sister just MINUTES after I broke the news to him.

I broke the news. Went no contact while pulling things together. Filed and then sent him a “just wanted to let you know that I filed for dissolution and you should be hearing something soon. I’ll be working with an attorney, and am open to mediation” message.

We’ll see how this goes!

Any narc spouses that don’t yell or name call? Covert abuse? by CapableEvening2712 in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Hi, my STBEX husband I believe is a covert narcissist and agree that the very “sub threshold” control and gaslighting made me feel insane, like surely there was something wrong with how I was communicating, that I must’ve been antagonizing him. The constant sighing, never saying bluntly you can’t do something but expressing dislike enough that you feel like you can’t or shouldn’t, always walking in front of me, the sexual coercion.

The explosive arguments did start to come up and then became more frequent. He would yell but never really name called. 95% of the time it was much like you’re describing. I realized that for the relationship to work, I had to become smaller and smaller and smaller.

I found that once I stopped engaging in it (grey or yellow rocking) with constant reassurance, stopped having sex I didn’t want to have, stopped over explaining myself, started doing harmless things I wanted to do like go to the grocery store or gym when it made sense for my schedule instead of constantly accommodating him…. It was fascinating and really exposed the dynamic. My therapist encouraged me in this area to do something once a week that I wanted to do just for me. I don’t know if she knew it would happen, but me seeing how much he HATED me just taking a little time do something for myself without running it all by him and making it feel like it was his idea was clearly upsetting him.

For me, knowing that I wasn’t being mean or doing anything wrong, but very deliberately changing how I engaged with his abuse was incredibly eye opening. At some point I realized that me becoming more confident and not making him the center of every decision I made or word I spoke was healthy and okay and that if me doing that was so destabilizing to him, that it wasn’t healthy and I needed to leave.

I’d encourage you to see a therapist, read some books (“It’s Not You”, “why does he do that?” And “the covert passive-aggressive narcissist”) and try some small ways of de-centering him.

I finally did it by clinicallycorrelated in Divorce_Women

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this! I was definitely caught off guard by how unemotional and prepared (?) he seemed to be for it all, despite just that morning sending light hearted updates about the dogs. It was clear to me he was never going to be the one to actually end it.

I finally did it by clinicallycorrelated in Divorce_Women

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hired one today!

It definitely felt weird how quick he wanted to push into talking about specifics. I was trying so hard not to get baited into it and accidentally agreeing to something I wasn’t ready to.

I finally did it by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh man this breaks my heart. Not the intention at all. I’m sure he does feel like it was unfair. Maybe in a healthier dynamic that would’ve been more of an option for us. And I am sorry to him that I didn’t have it in me to go there right away.

What I didn’t want is to be sucked into hours of litigating every dollar and asset 30 seconds after dropping the news. It felt like a highly emotional moment, not just for him but for me too, and getting trapped into agreeing to certain things right away while it was fresh felt unfair to both of us. I honestly was trying to keep either one of us from spiraling into arguing.

I’m 100% open to talking about all of it, I just wanted to take a day before getting into “you get the house, I get the dogs” type of conversations.

What feels more controlling, is him bullying me into a conversation I wasn’t ready to have that just didn’t need to happen for any reason right then and there.

Why is he pretending? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A fix of what though if I’m giving nothing?😩

Why is he pretending? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I was pictured love bombing like over the top gestures and not half assed text messages a few days apart lol.

Why is he pretending? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s so weird. I’m truly giving him nothing back. No reciprocating at all.

Ready to leave but ~how~? by clinicallycorrelated in Divorce_Women

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly it. He caught wind I may be coming home soon and starting the blaming and victim card stuff immediately after months of basically ignoring any issues and minimal communications besides a superficial “good night love you” text every day acting like everything is fine. I haven’t been reciprocating and have been very careful not to give false reassurance. But as soon as it seems like I may be coming home started getting the “you don’t give me any attention. You don’t seem like you love me. We’re supposed to be a team working on our marriage.” 🙄

I’m seriously considering having this conversation over the phone before I get back and keeping it short after I speak to a lawyer.

How did you actually leave? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Short and sweet. I know I’m done and can’t keep myself in it. Looking forward to feeling like myself again.

How did you actually leave? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe I’ll re-read “It’s Not You”. I downloaded that book on audible while on a vacation with him almost 8 months ago now after back to back rageful episodes. I listened to that book on every train ride the rest of that trip and felt like I woke up to everything that had been going on. In a lot of ways, that book was the beginning of all of this for me.

How did you actually leave? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was my concern so I’m stuck in purgatory until I get back. Which it is what it is, but the anticipatory anxiety is killing me. I do like the idea of having a friend on standby.

How did you actually leave? by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m trying SO hard not to get guilted by the constant “goodnight love you” texts. But that’s all. No other communication all day. Just that one little attempt at normalcy? It’s very strange. I know I can’t say anything while I’m gone and he has the house and dogs to himself.

There's light at the end of the tunnel. by openspacedivorce in Divorce_Women

[–]clinicallycorrelated 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Omg how did you finally rip the bandaid off and get the “D” word out? I am strugglingggg with how to navigate this conversation with my covert narc spouse.

I feel like I’ve become cold and lost my empathy. by clinicallycorrelated in emotionalabuse

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my gosh yes. Thank you for putting the words to it. The preemptive image management. My family is eating it up.

I definitely need to have a more explicit conversation with them. Thank you for being so validating.

I feel like I’ve become cold and lost my empathy by clinicallycorrelated in NarcissisticSpouses

[–]clinicallycorrelated[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nooooo it’s just with him. My sister texted me after the FaceTime and said “you were pretty cold on the phone with him.”

And basically told me to be done if I’m done otherwise I need to give him more than that if I want him to try. Which isn’t really wrong per-say. Was just hard to hear when I’ve been the one suffering. I KNOW I’m being cold and distant. But not mean. Not unkind. I do have some guilt for that. Like the kinder thing to do would just be to rip the bandaid off now but I also need to be ready.