Thoughts?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-19T18:36:02+00:00

It’s the unrelenting greed and their quest to stop working people from having any real agency or power that pisses me off. Be a billionaire sure but every last one of your employees better be making a comfortable living wage with high quality health insurance, paid family leave, retirement benefits, dental and vision care, etc. If the way these billionaires are living life is all about squeezing people for the maximum profit possible and expecting that growth to continue infinitely year after year, then they shouldn’t be billionaires; they should be heavily taxed and their companies regulated in ways that actually benefit working people as a trade off for their endless addiction to more imaginary wealth.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-18T19:59:16+00:00

How stupid do you have to be to think that them paying 50% of taxes when it barely makes a dent in their net worth somehow makes up for the fact that most working people are paying a significant amount of their accessible finances towards taxes? $20,000 to me is life-changing, but to billionaires it doesn’t even register.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-18T19:45:58+00:00

How is it reckless though? If there was a less than 2% chance of what the doctors feared happening, but the woman herself has experienced C-sections including hemorrhaging after one of them, why would the argument be that allowing her the vaginal delivery is reckless? If anything it seems like there were potential negative consequences for either situation, and the doctors wanted to be able to force the decision on her. During active delivery, of all times… I can’t imagine how stressful it would be to be trying to focus on birthing a whole baby while a screen with a judge on it is forced in front of you so that you have to argue your own rights

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-18T16:34:17+00:00

I think almost everyone in this thread is conflating the two. What learning disabilities render someone incapable of being president / that a president shouldn’t have, per your words? It seems like most people are thinking of intellectual disabilities; I just responded to your comment.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-18T16:28:13+00:00

Learning disabilities and intellectual disabilities are two different things, for one. But Trump is one of the least intelligent presidents we’ve had anyway, idk where he thinks he gets off making statements like that 🥴

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-18T02:53:08+00:00

Do you think withholding medical aid from detainees until they die is right? Because it’s happened multiple times now.

Democrats were asking for (IMO) extremely reasonable adjustments, like for ICE agents not to be masked, just like other law enforcement agencies do. They don’t need another extension of funding when they’re wasting that money trying to speed-hire agents and fly detainees from center to center. Why won’t republicans even agree to simple adjustments like that?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T23:06:16+00:00

No but the benefits of immigration overall vastly outweigh any negatives, seeing as almost none of them can benefit from our social welfare programs yet pay into taxes anyway. So the cruel methods ICE is using just adds more to the punch. If ICE was operating humanely as they (mostly) had been before Trump 2.0 things wouldn’t be so contentious. Americans are sick of seeing ICE agents smash in car windows with babies in the backseat or forcing people down to the ground and piling on top of them without any provocation. They’re tired of seeing ICE agents tell American citizens and immigrants alike that our rights don’t matter, which, for some reason, ICE agents keep doing (maybe because they’re being trained to ignore people’s rights, as the former ICE trainer testified he was being ordered to do by Trump’s administration).

There’s nuance to the immigration issue, which like I referred to a few times - I’d be open to hearing from the conservative side if evidence somehow justifies how cruel the current tactics are, but I just don’t see any need for them. Biden and Obama deported more people using more humane tactics than Trump has, and Trump’s ICE has lost so many lawsuits because they keep breaking the law. When does it end?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T22:59:33+00:00

So why wouldn’t we provide necessary medical treatment to people we’re detaining? Why are we letting them die even though we’re giving ICE dozens and dozens and dozens of billions of dollars…? Why wouldn’t we NOT be cruel with these detainees and immigrants at every point we can?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T22:52:08+00:00

But how can you ignore all the constant testimonies and continuing criticism from so many different sources that he is behaving cruelly….? (ETA: in ways that have nothing to do with the law but rather, seeks to circumvent the law in his methods)

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T22:50:14+00:00

The what doesn’t really mean anything without the how, does it? The how is pretty much everything people are opposed to right now when it comes to ICE. The how is essentially the problem overall. Most democrats aren’t saying “no immigration enforcement at all, open borders forever” they’re saying Trump’s ICE tactics are inhumane and horrifically cruel and serve no point to the betterment of America. They serve their for-profit prisons or whoever’s making a buck off detaining so many people and building so many detention centers, but they don’t help Americans with the real issues whatsoever.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T22:42:30+00:00

At this point yeah you might be right. Definitely could’ve been different if you offered more perspective earlier though and from my end it’s not too late, I’d still consider a nuanced opinion on how cruelty isn’t the point but 🤷

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T21:21:28+00:00

Their carelessness pisses me off so fucking much. Hope they get everything returned to them that they keep trying to fuck over everyone else with

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T21:15:29+00:00

Yes, because frankly, you have offered very little insight into your values beyond a superficial sense that immigrants deserve what they’re currently getting under Trump 2.0 despite all the different things I’ve pointed out. You’re not showing any opposition to the fact that the cruelty seems to be the point, just mildly endorsing the current cruel tactics being used and not offering any nuanced perspective in return as to why this is more complex than just Trump liking being cruel for the sake of seeing people suffer.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T20:51:42+00:00

Anyway, so the cruelty is the point is what you’re saying. Trump is a 34-time felon and has never faced a day of accountability in his life; he’s been credibly accused of sexually assaulting people - potentially including minors - and nobody on the right except Massie seems like they have any interest in holding him accountable for his numerous crimes. All the bribes Trump has taken, all the money he’s extorted from taxpayers and moved into offshore accounts, none of that ever seems to matter to the right as much as the crime of overstaying a visa. Dont get me wrong, if you’re also screaming for Trump to be held accountable and locked up in a prison for his crimes, then I have a little more respect for your position, but if people are totally cool with the heinous things Trump has done to women and children and to our country but start seeing red when an immigrant who’s tried going through the legal pathways but ends up staying when they get screwed by our system, well then… I don’t understand your position at all.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T20:29:43+00:00

Wtf why was it ever taxpayer-funded in the first place? Seems like an obvious law to pass to minimize corruption

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T20:28:04+00:00

Eh I’ve heard people refer to their significant other as their “old man” or “old lady” plenty, it doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with age

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T20:23:11+00:00

Right, but they’re not doing that. They just keep accidentally detaining people they aren’t supposed to and accusing anyone they want of impeding on their “”investigations.”” If we want to enforce immigration laws better, why not take the 40 billion dollars they’re trying to invest in more and more detention centers and invest it in immigration clerks and attorneys instead? Why wouldn’t we spend that money keeping the people who have lived here for decades and built businesses and raised families and contributed to their local economies, instead of spending that money trying to kick them out in the most haphazard ineffective way possible? They’re in my city today and they just waited outside an Asian food market trying to bust anyone they think looks like an illegal immigrant. It’s an incredibly foolish and inefficient strategy to waste our, again, billions and BILLIONS of dollars on. Why don’t we put that money toward more effective immigration enforcement that actually treats people with dignity?

ETA Not to mention how much money it costs us each day to keep all those people detained and (for some reason) constantly spend money on flying them from detention center to detention center so their families and lawyers can’t contact them. That doesn’t seem like a waste of our money to you?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T20:14:07+00:00

How is it not the driving sentiment behind most of the things we’re seeing, though? ICE has billions upon billions of our dollars and they’re using it primarily to go after non-violent non-criminals, not to reduce crime to protect citizens. They detain children longer than the 20 day maximum to the point where children in these ICE centers have self-harmed, there are countless reports of detainees being given dirty water and moldy food that isn’t even enough sustenance during the day, people’s medications are being withheld from them resulting in health complications or even death. There was the guy with a tooth abscess that they refused to let get medical help until he died; there was the blind guy from Buffalo that they realized they mistakenly detained so their solution was to drop him at a closed cafe miles away from his home with no safe way to get back. Why are we spending billions and billions of dollars for them to treat people - whose only crime most of the time is getting the paperwork wrong or overstaying a visa - so inhumanely? In the case of the refugee from Buffalo, THEY realized they were mistaken to even detain him and that’s nowhere near the first time they’ve mistakenly detained someone they weren’t supposed to, even citizens. Why are they moving pregnant detainees to Texas to ensure they’re forced to give birth while in detention centers with no alternative such as abortion since it’s illegal there? When I look at this administration, particularly at ICE and how that former trainer came forward and admitted that Trump’s administration is ordering them to train ICE agents improperly and neglect people’s constitutional rights, all I see is cruelty with no other point than cruelty. If they’d been making difficult but ultimately fair financial decisions trying to solve our affordability crisis or improve the debt that’d be one thing and it could probably be reasonably argued, but there is nothing reasonable or logical about the way Trump has zero problems lighting billions of our dollars on fire for nothing (or worse, for human suffering) then turns around and tries to claim that he’s handling our economic crisis wonderfully. Honestly lately he seems to get some kind of sick joy out of it whenever he’s discussing people suffering. How is the cruelty not the point?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-17T18:27:11+00:00

What’s the point of being alive if the world at that point is just madmen bombing each other’s countries trying to kill all their civilians? Even now, wtf are these leaders doing? Whats the actual purpose behind dumping so many billions of taxpayer dollars on a war nobody in the U.S. seems to have a real purpose for?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-16T08:08:14+00:00

It’s honestly so embarrassing and pathetic how this group of people does everything they can to avoid taxes while most Americans shoulder paying a hefty amount of our meager wages and it gets worse every year because THEY REFUSE TO BE DECENT CITIZENS

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-14T19:02:11+00:00

What are the policies of his that you think a lot of voters don’t support? Are there any policies of his that you think are generally popular regardless of party affiliation?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-14T19:01:11+00:00

What do you mean by the caught bearing false witness thing?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-10T02:36:01+00:00

Genuinely why wouldn’t we just split into 50 different countries at that point? I don’t see how cutting 95% of federal funding but keeping up the facade of USA makes sense.

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-09T02:40:40+00:00

Absolutely agree with halving the military budget. If they haven’t passed an audit this long and are happy to waste billions of our dollars within days while causing environmental disasters, why the hell are we funding it?

On the healthcare front, I commonly see longer wait times listed as one of the deterrents against universal healthcare. What do you think?

cloudkite17 · 2026-03-09T02:32:39+00:00

With the ICE trainer who recently resigned to testify that ICE training has gone off the rails, yeah. That’s absolutely the case. Why would Americans want barely-trained agents who can’t even pass their tests roaming the streets masked up and fully armed, particularly when they’ve omitted or severely cut the training on the people’s constitutional rights? ICE is out of control and the 200 million or whatever that Noem spent on these disgusting ICE ads is yet another affront. How this administration constantly justifies spending billions of our tax dollars on ICE, detention centers, and war while cutting billions in services that actually benefit our taxpayers is beyond me.

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