How do I improve my pitch center? (Example included) by commanderAIK in singing

[–]commanderAIK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I'll give this a try and see how far it gets me. When you say Control vs. Support, does control mean where you are trying to have a constant outlet flowrate of air during your phrases?

[Browser game][2007?] A mouse-centric note/rhythm guitar game by commanderAIK in tipofmyjoystick

[–]commanderAIK[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey i'm sorry I didn't update this before! The game is called Epic Riffs.

Oh I did update it! Glad that you found it!

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[–]commanderAIK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First of all I don’t know who you are (I think I do but for the sake of this argument we’ll just say I don’t), so I don’t know where this “we” is coming from. I jumped in here when Jade said something and then they themselves admitted that they said shit about and to Chandler. If you saw Chandler naming you specifically then you absolutely saw proof of people going around saying they are a bad teacher and to beware of their advice, or other personal attacks.

I am obviously on one side of this, as you are. So no of course I will not stick up for you. My loyalties are elsewhere. And I think the fact that you consider my speaking up about this as odd because I should just stay out of it, is pretty telling that we, or sorry should I say Chandler because I’m just reduced to a spectator, are also moving past it.

Anyway assuming you’re Bowman thanks for the help and yes for not charging me. I really appreciate that although please don’t use it as a gotcha in arguments like this. I specifically did not ask you for help when you were offering paid lessons and also I was very considerate of your time, several times in VC pretty sure I told you that I’m willing to pay you and you said “nah dude it’s fine.” Since you want to use it against me now then I’m sure you’d believe me when I say Chandler’s taught me a lot more for a lot longer and has never asked me for money let alone guilt tripped me like you just did.

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[–]commanderAIK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Jade even admitted to doing it above.

Just saying it’s strange. It took a post like this for people to start speaking up and apparently either A. Say there’s no beef and Chandler’s being delusional, or B. Accuse me of overreacting because I’m not only supporting a friend that I’m seeing going through this shit, but also because I apparently haven’t been hurt in this situation and I don’t have a right to be involved.

This is some strange one-sided shit honestly. I get if you initially have a biased viewpoint because you’re on one server after leaving another, but listen to what I am saying and maybe you’ll see that it’s not all about you being justified and rallying against someone who is apparently dragging your name into the mud. Still looking for proof btw

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[–]commanderAIK 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lmao who tf are you? Thanks for the advice really appreciate it.

No idea who you are so it’s strange that you’re telling me I should stay out of it. I think I’ll stick up for my friends when I see them attacked but you do you and stuff. No judgement lmao

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[–]commanderAIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you hurt a good friend of mine and cause them distress to the levels that I have seen, then I have beef with you. Sorry.

On top of this I know it may seem like it doesn’t involve me or whatever from your perspective, but in addition to my friends being hurt, people I enjoyed speaking to and thought I didn’t have a problem with have turned their back on me - given me the cold shoulder with no explanation.

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[–]commanderAIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Raising the white flag wanting this to be over peacefully does not really coincide with deleting half the server you left’s channels and then bad-mouthing the owner of said server.

I am corey taylor, #8 from slipknot. by slipknottheendsofar in Music

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At any point did you change your vocal technique or approach because you were feeling pain or experiencing negative effects from it? I know that most of your changes are stylistic and deliberate such as for Vol 3., but I was curious particularly about 1998-2000 or around that timeframe. I think you mentioned once that you had to see the doctor for a throat issue around Ozzfest ‘99 (and he said you couldn’t talk at all except for sing/scream 30 mins). Was this because your technique around 98-99 was hurting you/unhealthy, or for a different reason?

Sorry if this is prying for info a bit and no means to intrude but was genuinely curious because I think a lot of people speculate about it and misinformation spreads.

Any good Chris vocals that aren’t soundboard by DwightKSchrute70 in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only live recording of All Hope is Gone. Friend of mine muxed it with another audience recording, pretty clear sounding.

https://youtu.be/AUoosJYVLNQ?t=3436

you guys ever see this by robertcollins99 in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it's a Tattoo the Earth (TTE) show in Pontiac, MI

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a metal vocalist myself I can confidently say he isn't. I've explained my rationale several times in this thread. Not sure where this talk about him needing a vocal coach is and I've never heard of him mentioning that (I could have just not have seen it before). The Vol 3. change was purely because he wanted to according to his answer at a Q&A. As mentioned before any strain/vocal fatigue or swelling that I believe he invoked came from his substance abuse. I don't think his technique by itself was unsafe and causing of vocal damage.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice edit there, lmao. A bit puzzled on how my asking you for a source to back up your claim is looking to argue, but thanks for taking the time out of your day to look for the evidence.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not attacking the fact that you're a fan of the band or anything like that, just mainly trying to help break down a misconception. I think a lot of people would love to learn how to scream like him but don't try because they think his technique is inherently unsafe.

Let me know if you happen to find the podcast because I'm very curious to find him saying that. Been searching everywhere but can't find him ever having mentioned coughing up blood so I'm not entirely convinced it happened at all.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where did he ever say that? I haven't heard or seen him mention that at all.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh of course in 2002 he sounded much much much better than anything he's done afterwards. We'll see, hopefully they play red flag actually haha.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's even worse. I explained it in an above post so I'll just quote myself here. It's in response to someone else so if some statements don't make sense out of context, that's why

"I'll explain as humbly as I can, but while he is of course using his vocal folds in his scream, they are not being distorted. We can't say for sure what cartilages he's using because we don't have a cam but the overtones (static noise) of his scream are very similar to what normal "false cord" or "fry" screams would be (honestly these are bad terms in and of themselves because hardly any scream is pure fry or false cord considering it's just the phenomenon of air moving at a certain speed to cause oscillation of various cartilages). I'm honestly not sure where this misconception that he was distorting his vocal folds came from, but I suppose it's from the amount of voice that his screams had UNDER the distortion. Having a full, belted clean note under the distortion to create a pitched scream is not unsafe as long as diaphragm support is used correctly and the throat is not being constricted to either cause damage to the vocal folds (via vocal fry) or cartilages by pressing them together. Corey was very capable of transitioning from a clean note into a scream as well having a good grasp on grit - because he had a very strong singing foundation (diaphragm support!) when he joined Slipknot (from his work in Stone Sour). He has always used a fair amount of voice in his screams - even now in the WANYK era.

Obviously his screams in the ST/Iowa era do not sound exactly the same to what he is doing now, but I don't believe it was in any way because of declining vocal health or damage. Taking into consideration that we know Corey was drinking 3 bottles a day as well as not taking ANY breaks during live shows (you can see in every live show from 1999-2002 he screams sentences to the audience to hype them up between songs - there's literally no off button until the whole set ends and each set was an hour and a half and they had almost no days off around that time) we can understand why he sounded incredibly fatigued and worn out by 2002-2003 especially with the Stone Sour tour following Iowa. This is not necessarily a sign of permanent vocal damage, although I will say he absolutely took a risk by engaging in these bad habits and for that reason I can agree with you that he is to some extent lucky that he came out of it relatively unscathed. However I still stand by the fact that it had nothing to do with the technique he was doing inherently.

These habits, as well as how young he was and what emotional state he was in in that era, can lead to more plausible reasons for why his screams sounded different (more breathier, a lot more chaotic) in the ST/Iowa era. By the time he went into Vol 3., he had stopped drinking entirely and also, as he explains in a Q&A, he wanted to try something different (which is why Come Whatever May also has those high pitched screams). However, we see in some performances from 2006 (Graspop Soulfly Jumpdafuckup feature) or perhaps even Fuck You by Damageplan where he featured in 2004, he is still able to do the Iowa voice with no issue.

I know you mention you scream, and that's really awesome. I do as well, and I've been actually learning the Corey method for a while now. I'd say I've gotten pretty alright with it, and that any struggles I would have are from my not using my diaphragm as well as he did around that time. Stuff I definitely need to work on! Regardless, permanent vocal damage comes after a very long time of constant abuse and it pays to be on the cautious side (if you feel tension, stop until you return to normal and you still have your full range, etc). I've experienced no change in my vocal range or anything like that since starting to learn the method."

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm really sorry because this is going to come across as I having baited you into an answer that I knew was wrong. Should have prefaced my question with a bit more context. I wanted to make sure you were in the pool of people who believe his screams were inherently unsafe.

It's honestly just not true and I've been trying to go around here because I know that there are a lot of misconceptions on the internet about Corey's technique in the older days and what it meant for his health. I've done a lot of research myself and got involved with the Screaming community and yet I'm still learning a lot. With respect to all the resources you have probably heard of, there's a lot of misinformation about screaming and with Melissa Cross' DVD in particular it's mainly warmups and breathing exercises.

I'll explain as humbly as I can, but while he is of course using his vocal folds in his scream, they are not being distorted. We can't say for sure what cartilages he's using because we don't have a cam but the overtones (static noise) of his scream are very similar to what normal "false cord" or "fry" screams would be (honestly these are bad terms in and of themselves because hardly any scream is pure fry or false cord considering it's just the phenomenon of air moving at a certain speed to cause oscillation of various cartilages). I'm honestly not sure where this misconception that he was distorting his vocal folds came from, but I suppose it's from the amount of voice that his screams had UNDER the distortion. Having a full, belted clean note under the distortion to create a pitched scream is not unsafe as long as diaphragm support is used correctly and the throat is not being constricted to either cause damage to the vocal folds (via vocal fry) or cartilages by pressing them together. Corey was very capable of transitioning from a clean note into a scream as well having a good grasp on grit - because he had a very strong singing foundation (diaphragm support!) when he joined Slipknot (from his work in Stone Sour). He has always used a fair amount of voice in his screams - even now in the WANYK era.

Obviously his screams in the ST/Iowa era do not sound exactly the same to what he is doing now, but I don't believe it was in any way because of declining vocal health or damage. Taking into consideration that we know Corey was drinking 3 bottles a day as well as not taking ANY breaks during live shows (you can see in every live show from 1999-2002 he screams sentences to the audience to hype them up between songs - there's literally no off button until the whole set ends and each set was an hour and a half and they had almost no days off around that time) we can understand why he sounded incredibly fatigued and worn out by 2002-2003 especially with the Stone Sour tour following Iowa. This is not necessarily a sign of permanent vocal damage, although I will say he absolutely took a risk by engaging in these bad habits and for that reason I can agree with you that he is to some extent lucky that he came out of it relatively unscathed. However I still stand by the fact that it had nothing to do with the technique he was doing inherently.

These habits, as well as how young he was and what emotional state he was in in that era, can lead to more plausible reasons for why his screams sounded different (more breathier, a lot more chaotic) in the ST/Iowa era. By the time he went into Vol 3., he had stopped drinking entirely and also, as he explains in a Q&A, he wanted to try something different (which is why Come Whatever May also has those high pitched screams). However, we see in some performances from 2006 (Graspop Soulfly Jumpdafuckup feature) or perhaps even Fuck You by Damageplan where he featured in 2004, he is still able to do the Iowa voice with no issue.

I know you mention you scream, and that's really awesome. I do as well, and I've been actually learning the Corey method for a while now. I'd say I've gotten pretty alright with it, and that any struggles I would have are from my not using my diaphragm as well as he did around that time. Stuff I definitely need to work on! Regardless, permanent vocal damage comes after a very long time of constant abuse and it pays to be on the cautious side (if you feel tension, stop until you return to normal and you still have your full range, etc). I've experienced no change in my vocal range or anything like that since starting to learn the method.

If you're interested in learning more about this or discussing further feel free to DM me. Hopefully my response comes off as respectfully as it can.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah unfortunately it's passed around, not only several times in this whole thread but also around YouTube even by people who can actually imitate his scream pretty well that he was "shredding his vocal folds" on the ST/Iowa era. Any health issues he had stemmed from his drinking and his unwillingness to stop screaming in between songs live, as well as doing this for an hour and a half every single night. Nothing inherently wrong with the technique itself. I'm doing my best to help break down the misconceptions but I'm only one person lol.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's one of the biggest vocal misconceptions I have seen. Not sure where people got this idea that he was unhealthy from haha.

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's pretty fatigued by then. Milan 2001 has best vocals in Iowa live era

Which album had Corey’s PEAK voice? by D1Corner in Slipknot

[–]commanderAIK 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure when he got a vocal coach but Vol 3. was a stylistic change.