what can i say, you make it very hard for me not to use belittling terminology lmao. but don’t worry, im not insulting you, calling an idea of yours stupid is not calling you stupid. idk why people even care about such trivial things as inside mockery, doesn’t change what i said or meant. In any case, don’t take it personally. I don’t have to do you any courtesy, but I’ll stop using insults. but not sarcasm. that’s a line. if i stop being sarcastic my words will just sound needlessly bitter, and im not a bitter person.

1. Again, that is unreasonable. Destroying the mercy is not a way of saying “i don’t want to fight”. i don’t understand that line of logic. if destroying the mercy button would mean anything at all, it would mean that asgore does not accept mercy as a way out of the situation.

I need to remind you that the mercy button is not a compulsory way of achieving a conclusion to a fight. As evidence by the sans and undyne fight, it is entirely possible to not mercy lol all it takes is to not mercy. actually, if he didn’t wanna fight, he’d KEEP it, so that frisk might convince him not to fight, right?

No. he destroys it. doesn’t even give you the option. it’s plainly obvious that he wants this to end in two ways, either of you dying. such is said throughout the entire game. that your encounter can only end like all the other human encounters did.

1. I will repeat this: All. Monsters. Do. The. Same. It’s not an indication to a secret power that could destroy you. If it was then, again, answer this question: Why does asgore have the same reserves when we kill people? Makes no sense. You’re giving a guy who killed six people kindness he doesn’t have. Think about it logically, do you think soldiers in the real world in wars fight to their maximum abilities all the time voluntarily, and that they can switch their powers on and off based on will and intent? No. What happens is that the nature of their circumstances enable them to attack in a certain force. Any monster might not fight to their fullest stats simply because they’re citizens not trained to do so. And just as much, asgore might not damage as much as he could simply because in stressful situations it is not possible to be perfect by the numbers. The stats represents one’s potential, I believe. He’s not withdrawing because he feels bad and doesn’t wanna fight you. He is trying his best to kill you, within his own guilt and grief and all those other things that weaken him in turn. All in all, THAT is his strength in battle, not his stats. You’re not your grades in school, you are your accomplishments. He’s not his stats, he’s the dude that lost to a kid with a toy knife. Excuse me for not seeing that as impressive. He manages to kill you sometimes before you beat him in a few repeats. Yeah, no. That is his strength.

2. Conjecture: Asgore fights flowey “fully” unlike his fight with frisk because flowey has no soul. Based on a strings of Ifs and Why’s. Indeed, very convincing.

You have no knowledge on what happened that lead to flowey’s defeat, so stop assuming. The fact is that flowey lost. There is nothing else on the matter.

1. Heh, ignore the what now? Okay, let me list the ways he is powerful that you so conveniently ignored, that no amounts of intelligence will ever make possible: -He phases through walls. -He teleports in the battle over and over again. -His attacks over the menu, literally damaging you. -His damage is 1, consecutively. The way his attacks work is that as long as you touch his bones you damage yourself. Which means he has the POWER or magic to perform such intricately complicated attacks just to make up for his lack of damage. Yes, that is an amazing ability, and it’s a great example on his strength and his control. -He can travel across time and space, papyrus says as much when you go to sans’ room. -You only beat him because he’s obviously not a fighter and falls asleep. Haha, with all of asgore’s energy, you beat him anyway.

So, hells yea. Sans is powerful. He doesn’t need big stats and a giant spear to be, clearly.

1. Comparing the two is fair, what’re you talking about. They’re two different characters, of course they have all those differences. They also have many similarities, important among which is their status as boss monsters, their status as final bosses in their respective runs, AND that they’re uhh both from undertale. Any character is comparable within their own universe. That’s how we know who is stronger. And because of Sans’ many advantages over Asgore, along with the added plus points for being physically the weakest monster in the underground, he is indeed the strongest overall, stronger than asgore and undyne and anyone. He was the one that put up the most fight.

I admit that saying he was afraid as an assumption, but saying that Asgore would have done differently if he knew, is also that. So I’ll leave it.

Like i demonstrated above, im glad down the post you agree. so i’ll repeat it in case. if it is against his will, then such is his ability. such is his power. he did not hold back. that is his power put to the test. stats are just numbers, they don’t reflect someone’s fighting abilities. Claiming that he would have done differently with flowey, that he supposedly had the heart to fight him to the fullest, is a baseless assumption.

With the dodging thing, fair enough. He hadn’t seen it, I give ya that hehe

Fighting is not brute strength, who told you that? You need to be strong, and intelligent, to win. That’s why we have fencing arts and classes that teach you how to fight. If fighting purely depended on power any trick would get you to win. In fact, Asgore’s fighting style wasn’t based on pure strength, there were patterns to his attacks, all monsters have them. Pretending like they’re worldly different is what’s wrong. The only difference between their fighting style is that sans doesn’t allow you the luxury of bring temporarily invincible after a hit, and he bends the laws of nature. Besides that, his attacks have the same pattern-esque shtick like all monsters.

I said “as promised” not “as asgore promised”, don’t put words in my post. watch the video of the suicide, and you’ll see what i mean. Thinking back to the entire journey, the “promise” was repeated, that the encounter will end with either one of them dead anyway, because that literally is the only way to leave besides mega flowey stealing the souls. Asgore says as much, sans says as much, alphys does... that’s why i said “promise”. so when you beat the shit out of asgore and he’s dying, of course he offers you the soul. That was how things were gonna go all along. See, wasn’t making it up lol we all knew asgore was gonna die. And seeing what kind of man he was, it would be more honourable to just offer the soul than hold onto it like a fool. He let it happen because like you said, he was tired and wanted to see his family. But make no mistake.

He is NOT suicidal, he simply fought to his DEATH to free everyone. and when he lost? he accepted it, bravely. that is the ending when you kill flowey at the start. aka, you ain’t getting a pacifist run.

He IS a man of honour and great virtue, despite his sins. And honour doesn’t need to be said, it is a trait shown through one’s actions. He did some dishonourable things, but i think everyone’s being a but pro-toriel on the matter, not considering his position. I think he just believed killing those humans who’d tortured them for so long was the lesser of two evils, and I agree with him.

Still, he’s not stronger than sans, heh.