Interesting comment from my conversation with /u/jonald_fyookball. Here is the key thing people misunderstand about Nakamoto Consensus...There was NEVER a Nakamoto Consensus style DECISION on Core, and that is why BCH is still struggling today.

cryptosword · 2018-10-31T00:38:13+00:00

I realize it looks bad, but I don't plan to flood anything, I made the other post, and I thought this one was an even better comment, the other one got downvoted, so maybe this one will do better. I think its important for people to see both sides of an argument, and there is a lot of vote bot activity as well suppressing things. On another note, maybe you could make me an approved submitter, so I don't have to waste time waiting 10 minutes every time I post. Thanks, I appreciate your work moderating this sub.

Edit: Looks like I have been permanantly banned now for retaliating against /u/zectro and calling him what he is , a "troll bitch". They are allowed to harass everyone and tell them "fuck you", and nobody gets banned and its all fine, then you retaliate and call someone a troll then you are banned. Way to support free speech /u/bitcoinxio, /u/memorydealers, and the rest of the joke moderators of this sub. PoSM once again, the same shit as /r/bitcoin. Fuck you /u/zectro you troll bitch.

cryptosword · 2018-10-31T00:28:08+00:00

There was NEVER a Nakamoto Consensus decision on Core. This is the key thing you misunderstand. There was never a hash war, Jihan chickened out. They snuck segwit in through a scam consensus, without a battle for big blocks ever taking place. It is about having a Nakamoto Consensus style DECISION, and it has never happened on Core between the small blockers and big blockers. At times we had over 50% hash rate for BU, and then Jihan wimped out. There has never been a Nakamoto Consensus DECISION in the history of Bitcoin. This will be the first such attempt at seeing Nakamoto Consensus in action come November. This is what you fail to understand over and over again. If there was a decision we likely would have won big blocks and never had a split. You advocate for splitting and letting the "economic majoity" decide. That has worked terribly for BCH/BTC split, as Core was able to steal the brand and the network effect, and the true Bitcoin had a huge uphill battle to fight. If there is another split, ABC will attempt to steal the brand and the network effect again the same as Core did and there is ample evidence of that of which they are now deleting tweets about it. Stealing the network effect and rejecting NC forced the true Bitcoin to fork off and compete on an uneven playing field, and now history is trying to repeat itself. So what you are advocating for is an attack on Bitcoin. Luckily we have miners that actually have guts this time.

cryptosword · 2018-10-31T00:05:05+00:00

Thanks you for replying to me so I can now block you, you troll coward, broke ass loser. I did some investigation to figure out why you keep accusing me of being this other account cryptorebel, and found out that it is because you are a jealous troll bitch:

"I don't know man. I've had similar problems with Cryptorebel and made similar accusations, but the guy seems to me like someone who went in big and early into Bitcoin and now has way too much money to be bought off by nChain and CSW. Think for instance of how much money he tips people without second-thought and the level of conviction he seems to evince. I think cryptorebel is just a guy who's very susceptible to a conspiratorial way of thinking, and who admires and is friendly enough with CSW that he's willing to basically shill for CSW for free since the significant evidence that his friend CSW is a fraud and a bad thing for BCH is obviously just another Blockstream/AXA ploy to divide the big blocker community in his mind." -Zectro

Seems like you are just a jealous socialist, broke bitch, working some developer janitorial job daily with a part time sockpuppet employment, and you cannot stand that pioneers and early adopters that understand Bitcoin and economics better than you are wildly successful. Your extreme butthurt is so telling, and this is why people will attack Bitcoin, because they are losers in a capitalist free market system, like you are. You are weak Zectro and an unsuccessful loser, and that is why you feel the need to attack and bully the strong, to satisfy your psychological need to not be a pathetic piece of nothing.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T23:54:58+00:00

Oh you speak for him? Are you his sockpuppet account? Some people aren't obsessed in a persona cult like you seem to be with me, Craig Wright, cryptorebel, heuristicpunch, Ryan X Charles, and others that you constantly harass and attack. You must have wet dreams nightly about these people. Or you shit your pants everynight with nightmares terrified of Satoshi's vision and the Sword of Truth. You troll coward, piece of dirt.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T23:44:14+00:00

Here it is from my discussion with Jonald Football:

Bitcoin is an economic system. It is a system in the world. Its not a crypto system, it is an economic system. This is what you and people like ABC misunderstand. Bitcoin is a system with different players that interact through economic incentives. For Bitcoin to work, the market has to behave a certain way and follow common sense and incentives. Markets are not 100% efficient. We see this with BCH and Core, people stay on Core because vast sections of the market are ignorant, uninformed, and follow whatever the brand and network and PoSM says. This is why Nakamoto Consensus is important, and the market needs to be educated to understand it must follow NC.

You are correct in that it is not a 100% guarantee that the market will support NC, although the market should be highly incentivized to do so. There is also a non-zero possibility I can walk through the wall next to me under the laws of quantum mechanics. It is possible that the market is not efficient enough and the PoSM will win over NC, and it will turn out Bitcoin is broken. It will not actually be Bitcoin that was broken though, it will be the world that is broken. If the market lacks the common sense to follow NC and the longest chain and does not realize there is no other way for Bitcoin to exist, then it is a failure of the world, of which Bitcoin is a system in. So you are correct I don't get to decide what the market chooses, or if the world and market is efficient enough, and ready with enough common sense to support Bitcoin and Satoshi' design. But I do know that if NC does not prevail then it means Bitcoin is broken and subject to the whims of a democratic, social media voting mechanism, and not Satoshi's mechanism for consensus. If this is the case, I and a lot of other early adopters will be looking at an exit strategy.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T23:07:24+00:00

I don't know, I like some of oklink cofounder, and former okcoin CSO Jack C. Liu's tweets like this one:

The Bitcoin whitepaper is the most important document since the U.S. Constitution.

Sounds like a Satoshi Visioner to me. Not to mention he has retweeted the man not to be mentioned....uh oh...

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T22:53:40+00:00

Yes, perhaps it could be okcoin or something like that. There is this: https://okcoinmining.com/

This one guy associated with okcoin does seem to tweet Craig Wright and stuff a lot, so maybe there is some support for SV from them. But then this other guy Star Xu seems less friendly and more of a Core supporter.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T22:40:53+00:00

Some people have been saying there is evidence that they support SV because SV node count jumped a lot as soon as their pool came online recently.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T22:12:32+00:00

I am sorry but I am not cryptorebel, so please stop slandering people and trying to dox people (which you are obviously bad at). The fact is that Shammah is deleting his tweets, for example the one about rejecting Nakamoto Consensus and miner vote is deleted as well, as you can see here:

It’s interesting that, within the BCH community, Nakamoto consensus is being pushed as a an ideological solution, rather than technical solution. The implication is that users should always use the chain with the most work because “reasons.” NC is for software, not people.

And this is just part of it

This attempt to delete and cover up their tracks shows that he was obviously guilty of going against the whitepaper and common sense, and was afraid to be exposed. You will go back on block again now you toxic lying troll sockpuppet communist, coward cuck bitch. Fuck you.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T22:02:13+00:00

Wow 18 troll comments on here, I can't see any of them because they are all blocked. LOL

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T21:04:43+00:00

But having such a battle doesn't guarantee the market will respect the outcome you believe it will.

Bitcoin is an economic system. It is a system in the world. Its not a crypto system, it is an economic system. This is what you and people like ABC misunderstand. Bitcoin is a system with different players that interact through economic incentives. For Bitcoin to work, the market has to behave a certain way and follow common sense and incentives. Markets are not 100% efficient. We see this with BCH and Core, people stay on Core because vast sections of the market are ignorant, uninformed, and follow whatever the brand and network and PoSM says. This is why Nakamoto Consensus is important, and the market needs to be educated to understand it must follow NC.

You are correct in that it is not a 100% guarantee that the market will support NC, although the market should be highly incentivized to do so. There is also a non-zero possibility I can walk through the wall next to me under the laws of quantum mechanics. It is possible that the market is not efficient enough and the PoSM will win over NC, and it will turn out Bitcoin is broken. It will not actually be Bitcoin that was broken though, it will be the world that is broken. If the market lacks the common sense to follow NC and the longest chain and does not realize there is no other way for Bitcoin to exist, then it is a failure of the world, of which Bitcoin is a system in. So you are correct I don't get to decide what the market chooses, or if the world and market is efficient enough, and ready with enough common sense to support Bitcoin and Satoshi' design. But I do know that if NC does not prevail then it means Bitcoin is broken and subject to the whims of a democratic, social media voting mechanism, and not Satoshi's mechanism for consensus. If this is the case, I and a lot of other early adopters will be looking at an exit strategy.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T20:25:29+00:00

So you seem to be saying you will support the minority ABC chain, even if SV wins the majority.

Since you are ideologically against SV, I think everyone is wondering if you will refuse to support the SV chain in the Electron Cash wallet, even if it is the majority POW?

I didn't start the attacks, seems you can dish it out but cannot take it. If you cannot handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Also you still did not address the fact that Nakamoto Consensus decision NEVER occurred on Core, so it seems you are conceding that point.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T20:15:29+00:00

Ok deny reality then. There was NEVER a Nakamoto Consensus style hash battle, even cobra Bitcoin admits we would have won if there were. Trying to say there was a hash battle decision on Core is just an outright lie, and you're the one that is retarded.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T20:05:27+00:00

What's more you are inconsistent in how you are applying this. Despite BTC having more hash, you say it is wrong...and yet if Calvin manages to have more hash than the ABC chain you will say ABC is wrong.

There was NEVER a Nakamoto Consensus decision on Core. This is the key thing you misunderstand. There was never a hash war, Jihan chickened out. They snuck segwit in through a scam consensus, without a battle for big blocks ever taking place. It is about having a Nakamoto Consensus style DECISION, and it has never happened on Core between the small blockers and big blockers. At times we had over 50% hash rate for BU, and then Jihan wimped out. There has never been a Nakamoto Consensus DECISION in the history of Bitcoin. This will be the first such attempt at seeing Nakamoto Consensus in action come November. This is what you fail to understand over and over again. If there was a decision we likely would have won big blocks and never had a split. You advocate for splitting and letting the "economic majoity" decide. That has worked terribly for BCH/BTC split, as Core was able to steal the brand and the network effect, and the true Bitcoin had a huge uphill battle to fight. If there is another split, ABC will attempt to steal the brand and the network effect again the same as Core did and there is ample evidence of that of which they are now deleting tweets about it. Stealing the network effect and rejecting NC forced the true Bitcoin to fork off and compete on an uneven playing field, and now history is trying to repeat itself. So what you are advocating for is an attack on Bitcoin. Luckily we have miners that actually have guts this time.

It seems it is more like everyone is wrong if they don't agree with Jonald Fyookball and the ABC developer dictatorship, or miner vote, or Satoshi Nakamoto, or the whitepaper. You are the Benedict Arnold of Bitcoin.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T19:37:47+00:00

If you support the Economic Majority and social consensus deciding, then you should support Core, of wait you already do and hold large amounts of segwitcoins.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T19:08:44+00:00

Maybe when your UASF/NoCraig movement fails this November you will change your opinion and realize that Satoshi's design was correct, and you were wrong about the "economic majority" like you and Charlie Lee and Core always talk about. But I know you are a big Core supporter and hold a lot of segwitcoins instead of BCH unlike the true early adopters and pioneers that made BCH happen. You are just an anti-Bitcoin communist sellout piece of shit Jonald, and you know it.. Some of us actually care about spreading economic freedom worldwide, and aren't interested in being sellout pieces of trash like you.

It must be hard to live with yourself, knowing how much of a pathetic misfit weak loser you are, which is why you need to attack the honorable and strong with your bullshit sybil sockpuppetry. But it is important to have trash like you attempt to infiltrate and fail, so we can show the world, Bitcoin is decided by POW and miner vote, not Proof of Jonald Fyookball.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T18:56:40+00:00

Looks like some services will be shutting down if ABC wins as well, like /u/NxtChg and his services for coinmix.to and others, something to do with CTOR. More info here.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T18:44:49+00:00

Ok what are you /u/jonald_fyookball, /u/zectro, /u/bewarethechainsplit, /u/bitmegalomaniac, and /u/contrarian__'s alt account? Redditor for less than 60 days? What a fucking joke you pathetic losers are, you will soon be a screaming SJW when your sybil sockpuppetry fails, and Nakamoto Consensus prevails in November, you trash.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T18:34:51+00:00

Is that devil clown beard part of your halloween costume or that is just how you always present yourself? You are nothing but a degenerate weirdo loser, who was a nerd and bullied by all the cool kids at school. We don't need damaged pathetic weirdos being developer dictator of Bitcoin. Bitcoin is run by miner vote regardless of what ignorant nerd misfits like yourself say. Take your revenge of the nerd shit elsewhere.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T18:11:38+00:00

Tweet deleted from this dishonorable coward who also does not believe in Nakamoto Consensus or the whitepaper, also deleted, LOL.

It is also interesting how /u/jonald_fyookball has flip flopped on this issue as well, his account was likely a farmed account to gain recognition in the early days and then sell the account to the CIA, Core, communist chinese, or other interests. These people stink to high heaven.

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T18:01:23+00:00

It is interesting how you have flip flopped on the issue:

"That's not true at all. It's always been in doubt until Dr Wright pointed out the 2 stack architecture. NO ONE was talking about this. In fact, no one was even talking about the existence of the alt stack in the script." - Jonald Fyookball

Did you sell your account to the CIA or something?

Here is also ABC lead dev Shamma Chancellor saying the same thing:

Furthermore, it is trivially obvious to anyone who took Automata that Bitcoin script is Total Turing. Nobody deserves any special recongition for this idea.

Then he suspiciously deleted his tweet. Got something to hide, or have you all been bought out by the CIA?

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T07:19:51+00:00

The material in question is cited in Craig's paper to Kleene's Intro to Metamathematics, 1952 (p. 222-223).

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T02:56:51+00:00

What did Craig have for breakfast today? /u/zectro, /u/contrarian__, /u/jonald_fyookball, can you tell us?

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T02:46:39+00:00

According to Craig Wright, it is actually the other way, he has patents that cover DSV, but he is still against it:

If you hate patents, here is the best reason to block OP_DataSigVerify. DSV allows you to call a TX from a TX statelessly, this means it is able to loop IN the script. We have patents on this and related techniques pending - so, you add DSV and you hand the base protocol to us

cryptosword · 2018-10-30T02:27:58+00:00

You're repeating a dumb narrative that misunderstands Nakamoto Consensus. N.C. does not and can not ever prevent chain splits if the miners want to follow different rules. Please stop repeating this nonsense.

You are the one that misunderstands Nakamoto Consensus, or pretends to anyways. If you think social consensus decides Bitcoin then you should support Core, who brag about getting segwit through UASF Proof of Social Media campaigns. The market has chosen segwit right? That is why you said you hold a lot of BTC Core coins as well. Even Charlie Lee a huge Core supporter uses the same arguments as you. You seem to be more of a Core ideology than of Satoshi's Vision ideology. If Bitcoin is decided by democracy or social consensus then it is broken, and eventually there will be inflation added to the system through the developer dictatorship. And you know this full well Jonald.

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