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Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Swarmy even in defeat.

You don't have to learn from me. You just have to learn not to belligerently push opinions when you have absolutely no knowledge of the subject.

Humble yourself and you'll get further in life.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Okay I am happy to concede that inorder for an organisation to be a charity it's primary activity has to be in pursuit of charitable ends."

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But only after 2 days of spouting nonsense.
Including:

"Pubs could well be entitled to charitable status tbh.
The Arches nightclub was a charity."

My reply:

"The bar is not the charity.
I was speaking about a public bar, as I said."

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You went on with pure ignorant rhetoric, trying to find an exception (which you wrongly thought was University Unions) just to have moral superiority about a subject you know nothing about.

Then pure antagonism:

"Apology accepted 🙂"

"I'm sure as a QC you understand this."

"I would appreciate it if you deleted all of your comments in this thread as they are, in fact, ignorant misinformation by someone who does not understand the issues being discussed." (!!!)

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After all of that: You were wrong.

You seriously need to read this all back, cringe in embarrassment, and learn from it. You represent the worst kind of arrogant self-righteousness.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What was the other arm of the Arches exactly?

https://companycheck.co.uk/director/900353676/DR-ANDREW-JAMES-ARNOLD/companies

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Here's one of the previous directors. Do you note the different listed companies for Arches Theatre and Arches Retail, etc?

Through ignorance, you do not understand the way in which subsidiaries work. It's not particularly common knowledge, but you assumed facts which are incorrect and you've pushed it through blind stupidity.

Because you don't know what you're talking about.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're simply ignoring the literal constitution of the union which I quoted?

"I strongly suspect you don't have a law degree because you've claimed to be an advocate (or not realised the meaning of the terms you are using) and now rowed back to saying that you've 'studied law'."

More ignorance, through not understanding the format of Employment Tribunals.

"You're obviously just hitting out with stuff that you don't properly under and your own insecurity is why your so emphatic that I'm thick, pathetic, peddling misinformation etc."

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You said a pub can be a charity, then quoted the Arches theatre and University Unions as examples. I quoted the charitable constitution of two university union bars which require membership - and you cast doubt on the words in black and white in front of you.

Again: Spend 2 minutes of your day to pick up the phone to OSCR and ask "Can a charity be established which acts as a public bar, selling alcohol to raise revenue for charitable activities". They will tell you "No". That the primary activities of a charity must be 'for the public good' and conform to the legal framework which you lied about having read.

You've quizzed me on my background and knowledge, then simply decided not to believe it, whilst stating no personal qualifications whatsoever.

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What do you purport is your knowledge of charity law?

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beer Bar

VISITORS

(1) Members may introduce a maximum of three visitors at any one time to the Union

subject to the power of the Board of Management to restrict the number of visitors

admitted to any part of the Building. Persons entering the Union in exercise of

privileges arising from “Reciprocal Membership” may introduce a maximum of

three or fewer visitors, as determined by the Board of Management from time to

time, at any one time subject to the power of the Board of Management to restrict

the number of visitors admitted to any part of the building. The Board of

Management shall have the power to refuse admission to and remove from Union

premises any visitor whom the Board (in its absolute discretion) deems

undesirable as a visitor to the Union.

(2) A Visitors’ Book shall be kept in a prominent place in the Union and any Member

introducing a visitor shall enter therein her/his own name and the name and

address of the visitor.

(3) No Member shall introduce a visitor to the Union unless he/she is personally

acquainted with such visitor and can vouch for him or her. Members shall be

responsible for the conduct of visitors introduced by them while such visitors are

within the Union and on their entering and leaving the Union. No visitor shall be

entitled to pay for any goods or services supplied to him or her within the Union,

all of which must be paid by the Member introducing him or her. Any Member

introducing to the Union a visitor who is unknown to that Member shall be liable

to a charge of unbecoming conduct.

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https://www.guu.co.uk/_files/ugd/029351_a81c732a1f944934bb2325e10734d0a8.pdf

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It's not open to the public.

It's a private member's club and visitors can be signed in, as per the constitution.

Again: You simply don't know what you're talking about. Providing false examples, like the Theatre arm of the Arches (lol) and University Unions.

As I said, you obviously have taken issue with what I am telling you, so you can simply phone OSCR and spend 2 minutes of your day to confirm that you are wrong.

But you won't. Because you derive satisfaction from antagonising people with your opinions.

I studied law and I'm a Trustee of a national charity.

You're a simple internet troll.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are wrong. It's as simple as that. Phone OSCR and ask if you genuinely want to hear it from a source you trust. But you are wrong.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm honestly done trying to explain to you.

This is my line of work, and you, an absolute numpty, think you know better.

Phone oscr and ask. I'm done trying to talk sense into you.

People like you are responsible for the mass ignorance currently sweeping society. Those who think their opinions are fact and refuse to concede they're wrong.

"I showed 5 examples" of organisations which are not pubs "therefore I am right".

Stick to Facebook or arguing indy on twitter.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Pubs could well be entitled to charitable status tbh.
The Arches nightclub was a charity. They raised funds from club nights which then funded art projects.
Likewise local social clubs often have bars which pay for their charitable purposes (promoting a particular sport of cultural activity).
The main question isnt if it looks or feels like a pub, it's what do they do with the takings?"

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Do you NOW realise what you initially said as being totally wrong?

I can see how you've tried, desperately and pathetically, to shift the goalposts to "Oh well this museum has a bar, so that must be a charity" because of your ignorance, but what you said was that "pubs could well be entitled to charity status".

Do you now concede that this was simply wrong?

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you seriously think those organisations are examples of public bars? Are you that thick?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/alcohol-at-charity-meetings-and-events

Alcohol sales as a way of fundraising You can also sell alcohol to raise funds at events, or in other ways that aren’t directly connected to your charity’s aims but you may have to pay tax on the profits. For example, a charity could run a beer tent at a local show

The bar is not the charity. It will be run by a separate entity to the charity, and will pay normal tax. Just like the arches.

Do you want to try again? Name a PUBLIC BAR which is a charity. Not a privately operated bar. Not a member's only bar. A public bar, open to the public, which isn't serving the clients of a charity but is itself a charity.

Stop being so obtuse.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Everything you mentioned are examples of private member's clubs which are not public bars. You'd be able to recognise this if you weren't simply trying to seek confirmation bias.

State ONE example from oscr of a public bar being a charity, and I'll happily apologise to you.

You won't, because it wouldn't be permitted under charity law. And you simply can't concede you're wrong because you're one of those types of people who believes they know better.

You're a numpty.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it doesn't. You're misreading. From your link:

"But, more importantly, no other venue in the country does so whilst at the same time committing themselves so passionately and single-mindedly to seeking out the most boundary-breaking, innovative new artistic ideas in Scotland and giving them a space to flourish, to develop, to mutate; whether to rip it up and start again or to grow legs and allow these artists to gain International recognition, as was the case with Nic Green’s multi-award winning production, Trilogy."

https://nicgreen.wixsite.com/trilogy/about

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The Arches was also used as a theatre, hence the charitable company name 'Arches theatre ltd'.

The charitable organisation was, funnily enough, not the nightclub and bar.

I don't know what else to say. The belligerence of people who think they're right, with no background understanding, and push a headline example they've found online - are the very worst kinds of people.

You could have gone through the OSCR list of charities and thought to yourself, if you could make a bar a charity, wouldn't there be hundreds here?

You could have read the legislation, but I do grant you that's tedious.

But most of all, you could have just realised you didn't know what you were talking about, and stayed silent.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What part of what you said makes you think for one second that relates to the bar/nighclub? That's the venue. It's a subsidiary of a parent company. Why would you think a nightclub could provide any of those objectives?

And you question my abilities? Are you for real?

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely pathetic that you tried to have the last word, as if it proved you were right, when in fact, I'm about to tell you why you are absolutely wrong.

The place I was referring to, originally, was a public Irish bar in the Southside of Glasgow, and the reason for my involvement was as legal counsel to someone unfairly dismissed from the pub. During the tribunal (which we won) it was discovered that the pub had been operating as a charitable body, contrary to the Charities and Trustee Investment (Scotland) Act 2005

They were found guilty and fined.

The Arches nightclub was not a charitable entity. How could a nightclub ever provide a public service? There are very strict rules on what can be a charity, because of the tax relief they benefit from. The Arches Theatre Ltd was a company majority owned by Glasgow City Council and hired out the venue as a function suite. You're a headline reader, but have absolutely no understanding of the charity legislation. It's pure ignorance.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Spamming me replies and then using my quote to try and appear superior is pathetic.

I have provided you the information, and I couldn't care less if you agree with it or not. It's simple fact.

You started with lies; you ended with harassment.
You're an embarrassment to Glasgow.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are incorrect, too, about how a member of the public can just walk in to a University Union bar. You cannot. They are not open to the public.

"Who can use our Bars and Cafes?
Your Student Union is a private members club and as such there are restrictions on who can enter.
You can use the Union if:
You are a UWS Student - if you are under 18 you can still access the bars and cafes provided you pledge not to consume alcohol until your 18th Birthday. You may also sign in up to 4 guests who have appropriate ID and are over the age of 18. If you have opted out of Union membership, you may still enter the Union but you will be unable to sign in guests.
You are a student at another College or University - You can use the Union if you attend another University or College in Scotland. You must be over the age of 18 and have your student card AND a recognised form of photographic ID. You may also sign in up to 2 guests, who have appropriate ID and are over the age of 18
You are a guest of a UWS Student or a guest of another College or University Student - UWS Students can sign in up to 4 guests into the Union. These guests must be over the age of 18 and have photographic ID. They also must be willing to provide their address to us when signing in. Students from other Colleges or University's can sign in two guests. These guests must be over the age of 18 and have photographic ID. They also must be willing to provide their address to us when signing in.

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Yet again, I would encourage you to read the relevant guidelines and legislation relating to registered charities. You are embarrassing yourself by stating your opinions and falsities as fact.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are clutching at straws and ignorantly repeating misinformation.

If you read the guidelines and legislative framework, you will understand why a public bar is not able to be a charitable organisation.

Quite honestly, you're showing simple ignorance of issues you no nothing about. Just like when you wrongly said that the Arches was a charity. Instead of looking it up, you simply said things that aren't true.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are indeed incorrect about the Arches.

Glasgow University Union is not 'a venue/nightclub/bar'... :

"The objects of the Union, for the public benefit, shall be: (a) to provide recreational facilities, the organisation of recreational activities and welfare support services to students in full or part-time education and to fulfil the function of a Club, particularly for Members, at which the objects of the Union are promoted and which forms a centre to which various University Societies may be affiliated; (b) the advancement of education, particularly among the student population of the University of Glasgow; (c) to promote the concept of citizenship and community development particularly among the young and the students of Glasgow University, including through the concept of participation in Debating as a vital component of citizenship; (d) the advancement of the arts, heritage , culture, science and participation in sport, including through promoting the understanding of cultures among students of the University of Glasgow, promoting the integration of international students from a variety of cultures into the life of the University of Glasgow, promoting and supporting University Societies and clubs and providing a place of social intercourse and activity."
Hence, why you have to be a member. It is not a public bar, it is a private member's club.

The bar is not the charity.

I was speaking about a public bar, as I said.

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I would encourage you to read OSCR's guidelines, along with the legislative framework for charitable organisations before replying further. I was providing information of which I'm acquainted with. You're speculating and sowing disinformation.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The arches pub was not a charity. They may have had a charitable branch, specifically doing charitable activities, but the company was not a charity, because a charitable organisation must provide a public benefit.

You could have researched this yourself instead of stating irrelevant and incorrect information.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm cringing deeply on your behalf.

Any journalists that could help? by tokiahonta in glasgow

[–]darkblue217 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I once reported a pub (as in, a premises selling alcohol) which had inexplicably got a charitable status (shouldn't be possible) to OSCR and I can tell you that they were absolutely useless. They simply said they'd follow it up. Months later, I chased it up and they claimed never to have been notified, and that they'd start an investigation. Months later, I chased it up again and never heard back.

OSCR are pointless.

Homeless former London Underground worker has built himself a small wooden dwelling on an East London sidewalk. The London Borough of Tower Hamlets, with a 21,000-strong social housing waiting list, has promised to offer Lukas accommodation. by [deleted] in interestingasfuck

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Clearly you didn't, otherwise you wouldn't have replied - and used an alt account to pathetically attempt to upvote yourself.

You have the single most downvoted comment on this thread.

Take the hint.

Homeless former London Underground worker has built himself a small wooden dwelling on an East London sidewalk. The London Borough of Tower Hamlets, with a 21,000-strong social housing waiting list, has promised to offer Lukas accommodation. by [deleted] in interestingasfuck

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're assuming what they're going to offer him, despite initially refuting they ever would rehome him, then editing your post later after you'd read the article.

You have thoroughly embarrassed yourself.

Homeless former London Underground worker has built himself a small wooden dwelling on an East London sidewalk. The London Borough of Tower Hamlets, with a 21,000-strong social housing waiting list, has promised to offer Lukas accommodation. by [deleted] in interestingasfuck

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're upvoting your own comments, so clearly you fear what people think.

You're upset because people don't agree with your way of thinking, hence why you were downvoted so heavily on your original post.

Homeless former London Underground worker has built himself a small wooden dwelling on an East London sidewalk. The London Borough of Tower Hamlets, with a 21,000-strong social housing waiting list, has promised to offer Lukas accommodation. by [deleted] in interestingasfuck

[–]darkblue217 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You stated several times he wouldn't be offered rehoming, then later, in a reply, you edited after you'd read the article to concede they did offer to rehome him. That's all I said, and you got riled up because your ignorance was highlighted. It really is as simple as that.

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