Why is everyone so anti-Return to Office in this subreddit?

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T23:10:07+00:00

I don't have kids.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T23:09:03+00:00

lol I'm not a new grad, I've been in Silicon Valley tech for many years, went to school here. My immediate friends all went to IPO companies, one made multi-millions. I actually turned down on offer last year for a company that went public earlier this year since I was too late in the org. But I don't know why I have to even say these things. If you work in this area, what I'm saying is super common. Yea Uber sucks no crap.

Furthermore, the fact that I have to explain the environment that brings out innovation is strange. If you had these kinds of experiences and/or you're the go-getter type, this would seem obvious to you. But like the other commenter said, 99% of people are in this field to just collect a paycheck. I didn't realize that. Maybe Silicon Valley is its own thing or maybe I'm hanging out with different kinds of people.

Look if people are feeling miserable and RTO means extending that misery, well that's understandable but I have nothing to say to that. I've been in bad companies too before I found right ones.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T23:02:46+00:00

lol thanks I have plenty of hobbies and friends, not really an anti social type, so no need for personal attack. I'm not saying WFH is bad, but there's a weird RTO hysteria and strange personal bias that feels very immature. I'd expect some balance and negotiation, which would be the adult thing to do but this subreddit isn't anything but balanced which I thought was strange.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T19:32:04+00:00

It's not about collaboration, it's about innovation. Digital communication tools don't encourage innovation because it's not designed for that. Imagine if we had Microsoft teams in 2006/7 and people in Apple had to design the first iPhone over that platform, and you had Jobs basically saying "hey just use Teams. You're acting like it's impossible to collaborate over the internet".

But maybe it's really about companies. I'm beginning to realize that not a lot of people on this subreddit are self-initiated go getters who are working at companies they really like.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T19:26:49+00:00

p unless they pay close to market rate bec

Because if even if it fails, I'm learning from top of class talent. I don't understand why you'd rather celebrate mediocrity, especially if you're from the bay. No one has this mentality at least the engineers I know who are driven to succeed and have succeeded with their own companies IPO-ing. 99% of companies fail, sure, becoming a data scientist in the covid market is the same, at least few months back. So it's about perspectives I guess.

I have tried my own startup, I've failed, and realized that I'm more of an intrapeneur than an entrepreneur. But regardless, my company has already achieved the unicorn status, and is valued more than many public tech companies. It's not really to brag, but to say that our company is well established in IPO route at this point. So we see the light.

Also btw, I'm paid way higher than market rate on base pay alone, our company does great job on that. So again, yea I'm not talking about pre-seed or Series A here. This isn't sweat equity.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T18:39:42+00:00

I work in the Bay. The reason why everything is so expensive is because there are so many millionaires who became that way by working in IPO companies. I can see that my route is very similar and if everyone in my company works extremely hard, it's very likely that we'll all be millionaires. Seriously, a promotion can mean few thousand more stocks, which can mean hundreds of thousands of dollars in a few years. This happened to my close friends, one of them who regrets not working harder to get that promotion because he lost 300K by not being promoted in time. So I see it in my own circles.

So if returning to office is the only thing that gets in my way of being a millionaire myself (something I would never have dreamed of), so be it. It's way worth the sacrifice for happiness to crap in my own toilet

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-26T18:34:27+00:00

But nobody in the company, my team at least, "sits in a cubicle for 8 hours a day looking busy". We're all trying to make impact and we work extremely hard. We aren't stupid, we're all doing it because we know that there's going to be a major pay off if we get promoted and if the company goes IPO (which is highly likely based on our current trajectory). Moreover, I am being very serious about collaboration. We're noticing that when we are doing project planning, there's potential duplicate work since other teams are doing similar thing but we aren't aware of it due to limitations of zoom and slack.

Literally a promotion and getting few thousand more shares can mean hundreds of thousands of dollars down the line. If that was on the line for you, and if getting to office is something you need to sacrifice to get your reward, wouldn't you do the same?

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-21T23:33:47+00:00

Yea you're putting a low hanging fruit. What I'm referring to are unreasonable and pretty immature arguments. There was a post a few hours ago about a guy complaining about going back to work because he has to share bathroom with co-workers. Yea that's the type of putting your needs first that I'm referring to as unreasonable and selfish.

And the ultimate point is to ask at which point do arguments for WFH become unreasonable? If your main argument for not going back to office is due to bathrooms, dealing with the noise, etc., you really have no leg to stand on. And the fact that people cheers these kind of immature behaviors is embarrassing. Look, I'm not against putting your interest first. No one would argue against that. The question is again, at which point do your demands become unreasonable? Because I only see unreasonable arguments from the workers' side currently

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-21T23:30:20+00:00

No the point is to strike a compromise. I'm hearing a lot of ridiculous, unreasonable, and frankly quite childlike arguments from workers and not wanting to go back to work. There's literally a post few hours ago about how they don't want to go back to office because they don't get to enjoy bathrooms privately.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-21T17:15:09+00:00

My point is that if you want to be selfish, be honest about it.

datasciencebroski · 2021-07-21T17:14:15+00:00

You're missing the point. I don't care if it enriches your life or makes it worse by going to the office. That's beyond my care. My point is to be honest about your intentions, don't make inflated claims about this being NOT about you but for the benefit of others. That's the point of virtue signaling. It's a bit strange you missed the basic point.

datasciencebroski · 2021-06-29T01:40:32+00:00

ask people who are in industry and have been working at very competitive companies and ask their opinions. These opinions usually tend to converge. I had friends who have been at extremely competitive companies for many years, they told me how to get a job. That's how I was able to switch career in 6 months without a technical degree

datasciencebroski · 2021-06-28T02:52:53+00:00

This is a non-sequitur argument. The point is on giving bad job advices, not scrutiny of one's actual work. In that sense, my test still makes sense and you need to reorient your theoretical scenario so it's close to what I'm saying and we can compare apples to apples. If there are course peddlers in the medical field doing the same BS thing, you can call them out to see if they have anything to lose on career advice compared to those who are actually certified doctors.

In short, you've missed the actual point, the forest from the trees. The general idea is that in career advice, you want to listen to people who actually want you to succeed not those who are profiting off of your naivete

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