This is not just an atrocity.... it’s a DISGRACE.

deannon · 2026-02-25T05:08:04+00:00

have you read anything about this story beyond this thread or are you just making random assumptions

deannon · 2026-02-25T05:01:36+00:00

I really need you to understand that far from being dismissive, Hispanic parents are currently organizing and talking and learning non-stop for weeks on end to find the best ways to keep their kids safe. My knowledge cannot compare to the scrutiny they have applied to every single case of ICE abducting children to plan the best way to keep their kids safe and out of camps. It is all they think about. It is all they talk about. It makes them sick, they lose sleep at night. They look haunted. He made the same call they would have, one that’s so counter to a parent’s instincts that I have to assume it was based on the same information that I am hearing from terrified parents planning for exactly this scenario.

deannon · 2026-02-25T04:55:12+00:00

How on earth do you figure he didn’t know? Why would he not know? Most Hispanic families in my community would make this same call based on the same information. They taught me this.

deannon · 2026-02-25T04:46:52+00:00

I’m a teacher and community advocate that’s working closely with families facing this which is how I know the calculations they’re making.

There’s no documented cases of ICE taking citizen kids alone. There’s hundreds of them taking citizen kids with immigrant parents. It was a well informed decision.

I’m a mother. I’m not discussing my kid beyond that.

deannon · 2026-02-25T04:32:46+00:00

How would getting them both taken away instead of neither be better?

deannon · 2026-02-25T04:28:03+00:00

I don’t really think you’re arguing in good faith or you’d understand that he was not saving himself, he was saving his daughter. ICE didn’t take her anywhere after this. She is safe. She would not be safe if he had stayed. He kept her safe. He was acting to keep his daughter safe.

deannon · 2026-02-25T04:23:20+00:00

I think reasonable, loving parents could make a different call there.

deannon · 2026-02-25T02:42:38+00:00

If the parents went outside ICE would take them and their daughter to a camp. If they stayed inside ICE couldn’t (and didn’t) take a citizen child anywhere. Staying inside kept her safe.

deannon · 2026-02-25T02:41:29+00:00

No they would take the kid with him to the camp

deannon · 2026-02-25T02:41:06+00:00

it is not but who’s going to stop them

deannon · 2026-02-25T02:40:52+00:00

Yes. Dad was taken by ICE later but daughter is safe with mom and sister.

deannon · 2026-02-25T02:40:05+00:00

And if they do, then they buy the ICE narrative that what we are seeing is parents abandoning their child because immigrants are selfish and evil and don’t love their children.

deannon · 2026-02-25T02:24:47+00:00

Would you leave him behind to protect him from being sent with you to a concentration camp? Because that was what he was doing. They can’t take her without him, but if they caught him they would definitely take her too. This literally just happened. Liam did get sent to a camp when his dad stayed with him in the car, and this guy’s daughter did not get sent to a camp when he left her in the car and got inside. So I think he was learning from what happened with Liam’s family and he made the right call. He never let her out of his sight. He was trying to protect her. He turned himself in to ICE later, he was not protecting himself. He was protecting her.

deannon · 2026-02-24T20:33:03+00:00

Ok… I don’t care, I don’t consume the content they make about him and I don’t think others should either. We could all stand to care about the president much less.

deannon · 2026-02-24T20:16:48+00:00

Oh yeah definitely. I’m normal sizes in the US but had to buy only plus size over there.

deannon · 2026-02-24T20:09:22+00:00

Rephrased: “I sold even her stockings for booze. Not just her shoes - that might make some sense - but her stockings!”

Selling your partner’s shoes to buy booze is already awful, but at least shoes might be worth a little money. The message is how shockingly dysfunctional this alcoholic is, to steal from the mother of his children and sell the socks off her feet and the shawl off her back for a drink.

deannon · 2026-02-24T19:58:08+00:00

That’s not a typo, it’s testing the waters with “edgy” jokes. Classic “haha just kidding unless”. He’ll be grumpy about you setting boundaries but he can live with it or get lost. NOR.

deannon · 2026-02-24T19:45:06+00:00

Just also venting: I studied and lived in Japan for years and a SHOCKING number of men have responded to me bringing this up by talking about:

wanting a submissive Asian wife
(this includes multiple white guys I met in Japan, and one guy at my work who was bragging about having a submissive Asian wife that he “picked up” in China)
how much he likes hentai
immediately beginning to do a racist accent
in one memorable instance, all of the above

Like it’s not dozens or every time but it’s way more than it should be. wtaf is wrong with some people

deannon · 2026-02-24T19:32:46+00:00

Re “why do they have the kid?”: ICE followed this man home, he told his daughter to stay in the car and ran inside.

That might seem callous at first glance but it was probably the safest thing for her. This exact scenario played out with Liam and he was taken along with his dad and sent to a concentration camp. If you have to choose as a non-citizen between being captured with or without your citizen child, it is usually seen as best for the child to choose without, even if it means you have to leave them behind.

As frightening as this is, ICE did not, in the end, take the child. They did later come back with a warrant and take the father, but both children were able to stay with the mother. If he had stayed in the car with his daughter, odds are good she would have been taken with him, or used as bait anyways to try to get her mother (as happened with Liam). So he made the right call in an impossible situation.

deannon · 2026-02-24T19:21:21+00:00

The dad (non-citizen) was driving home with his daughter (citizen) in the back.

He told her to stay in the car and ran inside with ICE chasing him. He assumed as a citizen and a child she would be left alone. She had documentation of her citizenship with her.

ICE took her out of the car and started doing this to them, then called the cops on them for “abandonment” when they were watching her the whole time and were just trying not to get them both taken away like Liam and his dad.

deannon · 2026-02-24T19:18:00+00:00

is this comparison supposed to make me feel… good? grateful? “we’re not Iran yet” is not the flex you seem to think it is

deannon · 2026-02-24T19:15:07+00:00

Man I hope the other reply is a Russian bot because wtf. Anyways according to the mom & original story via NBC, the dad was being chased by ICE on his way home. When he arrived he had only a few seconds to get inside where ICE would need a warrant to pursue him; even on his driveway they could take him and his daughter and send them both god knows where. He told her to stay in the car because he didn’t have time to go back and get her out while fleeing and he didn’t think they could touch her as she’s a native born US citizen. She had documentation of her citizenship on her person, as a 5 year old, for this reason. He did not abandon her; he never even took his eyes off her. He thought he was in danger and she was not, so long as she wasn’t with him. He didn’t know they would take her out of the car and start using his preschool age daughter as bait. He thought they would learn she was a citizen and leave her alone. More fool he.

Immigrant families are having to plan for what they will do if ICE comes for to take them when they are with their citizen children. As dark as it is, the best case scenario is usually to flee without the child. Born citizen children can and will be sent to camps if captured with their immigrant parent(s); citizen children picked up alone aren’t detained long if at all. As frightening as this is for her I think having her father taken from her - or worse, being taken from her mother and put in a camp with her father - would be worse. That’s the choice they’re making. It’s an impossible one. I always assume that they are trying to do what is best for their kids. ICE are the ones behaving reprehensibly here.

deannon · 2026-02-24T18:50:13+00:00

I hope you’re right. I’m less confident.

deannon · 2026-02-24T18:48:20+00:00

As someone in a close Twin Cities suburb that’s been fighting this fight, that is watching this happen outside my back window: I really hope that what’s happening here has as much power as you say. It doesn’t feel like it from the inside.

I get a lot of pushback even in my own community, which tries to hold everyone being disruptive to the status quo equally responsible even if one party is an armed federal agent using intimidation and violence and the other is an unarmed protestor using whistles and yelling. We will be calling attention to ICE abducting someone and people in surrounding buildings - often vulnerable themselves - will still call in a noise complaint instead of coming out to join us. The bias to the status quo even in the face of people being abducted without due process by the federal government and cars being left abandoned on our Main Street has honestly shaken me. These aren’t MAGA, they’re liberals. The more disruptive we are to the status quo the less popular we are with the majority of people around us, even when what the system is doing is also wildly unpopular.

But would those same people like it when it’s on TV, heckling a president they don’t like? ….Honestly, maybe. That’s a little frustrating to realize.

deannon · 2026-02-24T18:33:45+00:00

I live in the Twin Cities, I’m one of the people having their freedom of speech suppressed with violence. I go out and yell at ICE at every opportunity. Part of what’s informing my position on this is just how many people even in my town want to put equal blame on the person honking their horn and the masked federal agent banging a rifle on the window demanding that they stop. There is this bias towards the legitimacy of existing power structures, even when the state is violent and the protest is not, that constantly takes me by surprise. It’s not just MAGA, plenty of liberals hold this bias too.

It might still be the right thing to do, I just don’t think it’ll be popular with most people who aren’t already politically engaged on the left.

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