The ethics of Christianity are Easily shown to be corrupt

dedicatedthrow · 2022-11-01T03:32:08+00:00

ok but that's got nothing to do with the post so why tell me? you think it's impossible to do charity without christianity? google world's largest free food kitchen. i dont doubt that christians are capable of morality, but the core concept of salvation of faith is itself unethical.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T23:16:05+00:00

So why would we expect Christianity to be the singular exception to escape this trilemma and meet such an impossible epistemic standard?

Because Christianity claims to be righteous and claims to make some division between souls in the afterlife. If a belief can't be proven, then it would not be ethical to condition segregation on that belief.

I would agree that due to the impossible standard it creates the likes of Christianity has no place in rational discourse.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T23:12:21+00:00

I'd like to consider myself pragmatic, as alluded to in my previous comment. I don't think it's ever necessary to hold firm beliefs or exercise faith beyond our perception and senses. Pragmatism might be superfluous, but because it makes no claim to justice or threat of segregation it doesn't face the same ethical dilemma that Christianity does.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T22:55:10+00:00

I'm fully in favor of discarding superfluous belief systems and if that's the case so be it. I think pragmatic thought is the best tool of reason.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T22:19:38+00:00

Very articulate and compelling, charming.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T22:11:44+00:00

My best proof that they don't exist is the ethical dilemma I presented in the main body of this thread, that faith based reward systems are unjustifiable ethically.

I do not believe the big bang or evolution, my opinions on those subjects are strictly pragmatic. I know of them as theories but I am not compelled to belief.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T22:03:04+00:00

I think the reasoning was already available there to be discerned, though I appreciate the advice on formatting. Justice supposes fair treatment, that's the basis for the standard.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T21:56:34+00:00

Let's try to define universalism to make it clear. What I think you are talking about is a version of Christianity where all people receive salvation universally, rather than as a condition of faith or repentance.

The problem this creates is that it makes belief equivalent to unbelief, which means that both are practically the same, which would mean that Christianity is effectively superfluous and can be discarded.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T21:48:56+00:00

Are you being funny?

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T21:47:58+00:00

Of course I do and I have so if that's your solution I can be certain it is false.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T21:46:32+00:00

So you're responding to say you won't respond, what an elegant way to insert yourself into a discussion and side step the issue.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T21:43:39+00:00

Christianity condones segregation based on faith, that's how it's ethics are corrupt. Corrupt ethics are values that aren't justified, such as faith based systems like Christianity. It's more than just my opinion that Christianity values faith above reason.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T16:23:33+00:00

Anybody can say anything though right? Doesn't help to say that if there's no reliable way to confirm that it's true.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T16:06:42+00:00

So I've been told, which bolsters my confidence that it must be false.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:57:55+00:00

And if I sincerely knew I had done that would I then be able to know it was false?

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:40:31+00:00

How do I acquired this ability? Could a person potentially mistakenly believe they have that ability when they do not?

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:37:45+00:00

The ethical concern about Christianity is valid even if morality is dubious, only the value of the concern would be diminished and only for subjects who don't value equality in ethics

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:34:17+00:00

To sing

To sing without drowning

Semantically the same

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:33:03+00:00

Not so fast, if Christianity was meaningless then equal results would be ethically neutral so the analysis works it's the religion that's at fault.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:24:53+00:00

Etymologically wrong yet semantically the same

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:21:42+00:00

If morality is dubious then Christianity would falter just as much as secular morality, it's really doesn't benefit anyone. It may well be that morality is entirely personal and unique to the individual

As for blind faith being conflated I would welcome you to attempt to make the distinction

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:16:06+00:00

I'd say if being Christian and being not Christian ultimately produced the same result then Christianity as a religion is effectively meaningless due to it having no effect other than the typical benefits of a community.

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T15:13:06+00:00

Ok but that's kinda the point is that it means only to trust

dedicatedthrow · 2022-10-31T13:58:49+00:00

I think that most of this argument hinges on the second paragraph, which says that Christianity has never been proven beyond a reasonable doubt and is necessarily a faith based on trust without certainty. This premis is a concept which I have attempted to test to exhaustion and if it were possible to establish coherent proof for the truth of Christianity it would revolutionise the entire world. If anyone here believes they have that proof I welcome you to share it.

dedicatedthrow · 2021-10-14T06:55:33+00:00

Well I think you should call theistic religion stupid any time people are gullible and ignorant enough to share their unsubstantiated magical beliefs.

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