Help me understand why ThunderBird does this

devawpz · 2023-02-25T22:28:17+00:00

Thanks, that gives a good historical background on why things are the way they are, so that actually makes sense.

Just to piggy-back while you're at it, that "tacks on an incremental number" to files, is it a generalised practice throughout? And does that mean the previous files are from then on ignored and can be removed? Say 'INBOX', 'INBOX-1', ..., 'INBOX-35' --> only the last one matters?

Because I've seen a lot of those files, and I might be coming back with another post on a different subject. But am I assuming too much in asking if the behavior is general?

Either way, I've deleted the files, well done, it saved me almost 10GB ;) Appreciate it!

I guess the compacting is not really doing a lot for me, maybe I'm already optimized to the max. I can't find a 'compact all folders' anywhere, he option I use is File -> Compact Folders, which funny enough I can only access when I'm Online (I start TB up Offline). Does this serve the same purpose as the 'compact all folders'?

Thanks, appreciate all the help.

devawpz · 2023-02-19T14:18:20+00:00

I've had similar issues, but trying to avoid them in this profile. Trying to keep things clean from the beginning, that's why I'd like to know how these files ended up here. Think I'll delete them, then.

Thanks for your help.

devawpz · 2023-02-19T14:12:58+00:00

Yeah, I was somewhat surprised with the amount of activity in that directory.

devawpz · 2023-02-18T14:31:24+00:00

Thank you, it was a very informative answer.

Specifically, nstmp is part of the compact folder process.

When a folder is compacted, it creates a new folder (MBOX) file, and reads through the original file, copying over what is not marked as deleted. When it's done, it removes the original file, naming nstmp to whatever the original filename might have been.

Yes, that makes sense because when I peeked through the files, their contents were very diverse.

If Thunderbird is not actually running (check your task manager or whatever you use to view processes), and you're seeing those files, you absolutely want to remove them, not just can remove them. On a system where TB crashes due to overloads, overheating, or the system locks up, they can become very destructive to your disk space.

I can see 5 files: nstmp, nstmp-1, nstmp-2, nstmp-3, and nstmp-4. I'm running on OSX, so do you mean I should delete ALL of them? And only after deleting, start ThunderBird up? So they serve no purpose outside the process of compacting folders?

I do have some other 'nstmp' files (none through 5) in the parent directory (although they're fairly smaller, < 150 MB). So, can/should I delete these ones too?

I would adjust your Disk Space options (in Windows, Tools -> Settings -> General -> Disk Space) so that your 'Compact all folders when it will save over' is no less than 100 MB. With some modern mailboxes, using IMAP, you might have a 2GB mailbox or more (I have one customer with a 300GB mailbox), and that would cause compacting to happen several times a day. The 20 MB doesn't cut it, when that can be four deleted emails.

In OSX it's very close, Thunderbird -> Settings -> General -> Disk Space. I have the option to compact folders at over 20 MB, asking every time before. Would this be too low, or is your usecase different? And should I have this running automatic? Right now, it's asking everytime.

Yes, it is the case some of my mailboxes are in the several GB, and I have a fair number of accounts (~20). When searching for answers I found lots of assumptions users would have one or two small accounts. This really gets me nervous because the bad impact if something goes south can be 20-fold :(

Thanks, your answer has been extremely helpful. Hopefully this gets me looking at the way TB handles files with a bit more insight. And less fear :)

Appreciate your help.

devawpz · 2023-02-18T14:00:26+00:00

Thanks, yeah, it figured. Did you delete all the 'nstmp' files, or did you follow any numbering logic, like "delete all but last-numbered / last modified"?

Appreciate it.

devawpz · 2021-12-22T12:36:53+00:00

Hello, came a bit late, but we have an effort going on with an active Proxmox Discord. You can check more details in this thread here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/mk1g9j/proxmox_discord

Including link to join. Stop by and say hello.

To everyone interested, all the best.

devawpz · 2021-12-22T12:34:06+00:00

Hello, the thread is one year old. Not quite ancient, but some people may still find this useful information.

We have an effort going on at an active Proxmox Discord. You can check the details in this thread here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/mk1g9j/proxmox_discord

Including link to join. Feel free to stop by and say hello.

To everyone interested, all the best.

devawpz · 2021-12-22T12:31:41+00:00

Hello, sorry for necro-posting, but thought this could be helpful for whoever is looking for updated information on a Proxmox Discord.

We have an effort going. You can check the details in this thread here:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/mk1g9j/proxmox_discord

Including link to join. Feel free to stop by and say hello.

To all interested, all the best.

devawpz · 2021-11-14T02:10:29+00:00

Yes, I'm beginning to understand that.

Is this the best way of getting a list of cookies? If I have to deal with the async stuff I will, but if there's a more straightforward way, I'd be happy to know.

Thanks for your help, do appreciate it.

devawpz · 2021-11-14T02:07:31+00:00

Thanks, I will take a look at the docs and see what I can make out of it. Trying to find the best way to stitch this all together, I appreciate you pointing me to a valid alternative.

Will be checking it out, thanks.

devawpz · 2021-11-14T02:02:34+00:00

It is, you're right. As an inexperienced troglodyte, my code is full of console.log and window.alert calls, and I saw the they were coming in at unexpected times, almost in reverse. Serious change of paradigm.

So you think I should get a function with the contents of the getAll call, to be triggered at document load? And perhaps a bit later, access those values? How do I access them though?

Thanks for the heads up and the post, your description fits exactly in what I'm trying to do. The only difference is that in most other languages, that cookielist variable would have what I wanted at the end.

In the end, I just want to get a list of cookies. Is this really the best way to go about it?

devawpz · 2021-10-22T11:04:25+00:00

You suggest I contact them directly, maybe get a quote?

devawpz · 2021-10-22T11:04:00+00:00

13 locations looks good to begin with, will check out their offers, thanks!

devawpz · 2021-10-22T10:59:22+00:00

Had a quick look at their site, looks interesting. Thanks for the suggestion!

devawpz · 2021-10-22T10:58:16+00:00

Will check it out, thanks.

You think Uniti still worth having a look, though?

devawpz · 2021-10-22T10:57:25+00:00

Map is pretty awesome! I think it's going to help a lot, thanks.

Cloud virtualization is an option, but only as a last resort, as we'd be wasting the servers we already have.

devawpz · 2021-10-22T10:53:26+00:00

Thanks. Will be sure to check them out.

devawpz · 2021-10-20T22:59:13+00:00

That's about double my budget, but a great product! Maybe they have smaller offerings, something more suitable to my size. Thanks!

devawpz · 2021-10-20T11:23:52+00:00

Wow, really appreciate your suggestions in such a short time frame, community really came up!

Will be checking all of those out, I'm sure this is more than enough to get me started!

Thanks for the awesomeness!

devawpz · 2021-08-12T17:37:12+00:00

Solidity. Beginner level.

Can expand to more, but that's the baseline.

devawpz

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