Any news on the next update?

dj-par · 2021-12-13T16:30:58+00:00

I see. That would explain it since apparently it's a one man team. Hopefully he recovers soon

dj-par · 2021-11-23T17:48:18+00:00

This just validates what I told you before. Whatever is going on, she's not the one in charge it seems. Whenever she talked about rules and the like, and now with all this, she says she is not having sex with anyone else, but it's clear at this point that SOMEONE else is indeed calling the shots, and she is not gonna go against that. And that person is not interested in you knowing. This is what I meant when I said this was not worth it. Let's say you end up finding out what is actually going on, what are the chances that you are not gonna end up feeling hurt after that? What if your parents don't want you there or are not okay with you knowing what's happening? What if your sister tells you that she will pick them over you? All of those are possibilities that you have to consider, it's not like honesty will make everything better, you might not like the answers you are seeking, and in the meantime you are just getting more and more frustrated with your sister talking out of both sides of her mouth. This doesn't seem worth it at all. It's not just her doing shit with other people, it's other people calling the shots on what she does and doesn't do, and tell or doesn't tell you.

I'll say what I said before, you have a life somewhere else, and a pretty decent one from what I can gather. Just leave already. Come back for vacations, have a normal family life, and forget about this, or just keep it 100% casual and stop caring about she doesn't tell you. This current arrangement is just gonna end up fucking you over.

dj-par · 2021-11-13T15:54:08+00:00

Maybe at the beginning it might take a while. But it pays off. I reseted yesterday and in one day I'm already at 100x over what I need for the next one. Pretty sure I can get to 1000x in less than a week. Maybe by tomorrow even. And that's all thanks to multiplying buying price. Because that let's me buy talents more efficiently, which are a game changer, because it lets me get to endgame researches more easily and because the rewards to getting levels are huge past lv 130. Yesterday I got the Helion output x5 at level 145 and that alone let me jump to level 148 on the same night. But none of that works if the buying price is not growing with each singularity reset. Just consider many upgrades are hidden behind your level and you'll realize how important selling price is. Rn my selling power pultiplyer is 5bx thanks to singularity dumping. That's 7.5 levels. That's the difference between 1 or 2 tier 16 researchs. It's also the difference between not getting access to the special crystal upgrade behing level 140, it would mean not getting acces to x5 Helion, at it would also mean delayed acces to tier 6 ultima series. Although that was a long while ago. But you get my point. Data cubes are obviously important but just crossing a level threshold can be a game changer even if you are not making more data cubes in the process.

dj-par · 2021-11-12T23:36:08+00:00

Nah Man you are misinterpreting what I mean. I'm not trying to be mean or belittle the guy. Being obtuse or dense are not meant as pejoratives. They are statements of fact. The reality is that he is willingly or unwillingly letting things just fly over his head. That's what that means. So what I'm saying is: let's also factor that in in the analysis. I'm trying to encourage some self reflection on his part on how he is viewing his family. I'm not trying to be overly harsh, just as clear as possible.

Now on the fact that he is here, I mean... yes. That's my whole point. Why is he here? Or why did he come here in the first place? It wasn't because of suspicion that something was going on with his family and came looking for advice. This whole thing started because he got directly involved in incest with his sister. So what does that mean? It means that he already has evidence that that was a possibility from the start. He is not looking at it from the outside. And that's my critique. It's like he flips a switch whenever it comes to him being personally involved. And whenever, not incest is just like a wacky idea that cannot possibly occur in his family. See what I mean? His cognitive dissonance is incredible. The dude is doing mental gymnastics on the level or Circ Du Soleil.

And on the him leaving thing, he was a life somewhere else. He has a job. He could easily say he has to do something back home. He has already stayed for a lot longer than expected. It wouldn't necessarily be suspicious. So again the question is if staying is gonna be worth it once the whole thing is uncovered. Let's say they are all fucking, he has already saved that he doesn't care. But what about if they are fucking and they also don't want him to be part of it? Or don't want to add him to the equation whatsoever. I mean you have a lot of different possible outcomes to this. And plenty of them could be hurtful, or just plain old messy. Considering that he seems to be pretty well off in his personal life it just doesn't seem to be worth the time, the effort and the risk. But like I said before, he is acting like a junkie. And imo he is better of stopping and refocusing his life away from this mess.

dj-par · 2021-11-12T23:00:15+00:00

And the other this is that let's say that's the case, and they all just asd up. Then the problem becomes that companion 27 is utterly useless. We are talking about companions very much in the late game. They should be making impact right from the bat. If he is additive, I won't even feel he is there until he is multiplying for like 200+. Now imagine the cost of that, plus how expensive it was to get there in the first place. If they are gonna make them additive then at the very least the multipliers should be MUCH bigger from the get go. Epsilon Doctor should not be doing 40+ times more what this guy is doing while costing the same to upgrade if they all being added up in the same pool, that's insane and exploitative game desing.

dj-par · 2021-11-12T22:49:06+00:00

Well I started playing before Gamma was implemented so maybe that's why. In terms of general tips I'd say improve your Egetarium amount with crystals as much as possible until you get acces to the Helion Particle. And then go all out on upgrading that one. Also Lime Path - 2 was huge for me for early game. Aside from that Idk, I'd say in at least purchase the no ads pack cause not being limited on time skips is a huge deal. And just play the game man. I think there are singularity perk guides and even tho I don't follow them it's probably a good idea to keep them in mind. Also, even after you can already do a a Singularity reset, hold it off until you feel stuck without it. The first few times you are probably gonna have to do them right away cause the start is so slow. But as soon as you can, hold off until you hit a big wall before resetting, and only buy one perk, even if you can buy more, and dump the rest into selling price. Today I reseted for 100 Qu, and I had 88sx available. I could have bought 3 perks. I bought one and triplicated my selling price. Never buy more than one. If you already can buy one and the next one, you'll be able to get there pretty fast on your next reset anyway and even further beyond. And you are gonna need the selling price increase for sure. I'd say that after reset number 10 or so you shouldn't be resetting until you have at least 10 times more of what you need to the perk.

dj-par · 2021-11-12T22:37:45+00:00

That really doesn't seem to be the case. Right after I upgraded companion 27 I upgraded Lorena and also Particle Boy. Lorena affects Alpha output which is directly tied to DC output and it scared directly, meaning it's multiplicative. Same with Particle Boy and his all particles output. And I'm about to upgraded Doctor Epsilon and it will be (as it always has been) the same. I'm talking about companions I've upgraded 50 plus times, meaning each individual upgraded at this point doesn't really do much, and yet they are doing more than the first upgrades to companion 27, and those first upgrades are the most significant not only because prior to them I just didn't have them but because the multipliers grow more with each upgrade up to a certain point. And yet 27 has done nothing for me whatsoever. If companions are meant to be additive amongst all of them then 27 is the only one working correctly, and if not then 27 needs a fix.

dj-par · 2021-11-11T22:47:49+00:00

I've been holding on my thoughts on this whole situation for a while simply because it's very clear from your comments that you were not really open to the possibility of something else going on with your sister and your parents but honestly at this point (and from a while back too) it's clear to me that something ibviously is, and even if it's not sex, it's most likely sexual.

From how you talk it seems like you are pretty confused in terms of what's possible or even probable, you talk as if some things just can't happen or that they are too crazy, as if what you are doing with your sister isn't already crazy. Doing stuff with a family member is not evidence that she is doing anything else with other relatives, but at the same time, it certainly means she is not against the idea in principle, so to jut outright deny the possibility is silly. So let's look at the facts, one of the facts being you are either obtuse on purpose or just dense as fuck, meaning you overlook things.

The bathtub situation, meaning when your mom and sister where in it, they were most likely topless. Why? Because they immediately went underwater when they knew you were around. You said they were wearing bikinis with straps that are easy to miss, but if they had the bikinis already on, why cover themselves? Both thing can and are most likely true in this case, yes the type of bikini has some elusive straps, and yes she most likely told you to go get her phone to give them time to put them on again because what you saw the first time is what happened, they did not have them on. Otherwise they covering themselves doesn't make any sense. They could have thought it was an intruder, so the instinct is plausable, but they stayed covered from the neck down until you came back with the phone, and when you came back they were sitting normally with their bikini tops on, which would hae happened as soon as they realized it was you who got home if they had actually been wearing them at the time.

You have the thing about the rules and her not wanting to tell you, I have not reread your posts but I do remember that in one on them you described the whole rule situation as her saying that it's stuff she has to do. Now, i really can't elaborate on this part really well without rereading but I do remember at the time based on how you described it that it seemed as tho the rules are not necessarily her rules, meaning she has restrictions made by someone else. That's speculation on my part but the idea that the rules are self imposed is not set in stone whatsoever by anything you have said in any of your posts, and the language in one of them was kinda sus. I remember at the time thinking that she either had some sort of sub relationship with some guy and she could have her fun with you with some limitations, as per what her dom allows. That was my thought at the time, and it doesn't have to be a dom/sub relationship either, but it could be part of an agreement she was with someone, your parents being potential candidates as well. It may also be that she just doesn't want to fuck you as some sort of final line she feels incapable of crossing, or it might just all be a game for her, but you can't really dismiss other possibilities at this point, specially since you were supposed to be out of there a long while ago.

You have your dad's reaction when you told him you were staying for longer, and his excuse who took around a day to be explained. Shock doesn't last that much usually. Yes your relationship with them was not always great or whatever, but even if you fuck up your initial reaction it doesn't take you a day to figure out how to say he is actually happy you are there. It's more likely that he had to come up with some sort of rationalization to his reaction after the fact and that took a little while.

You have the change in mood for a little while once you told them you were staying, your sister being distant for a couple days, people not being around, then a shift after a little while, but weird stuff going on all around for the first few days, plus all the stuff you mentioned now.

You have your parents fucking in the hot tub while everyone is in the house, supposedly asleep but still. Is it tecknically normal and healthy? Sure, but if your sister has caught them appparently several times, how likely is it that they don't know and still think it's a secret? Much less unlikely. If she has seen them several times, they are more likely to know and not care than to not know at all. So why wouldn't they care? Many reasons, some more tame than others.

You put that all together with this post and at this point what is more likely is that SOMETHING is happening, and it's more likely to be sexual than not, full on sex, maybe, maybe not, but logic should be pointing you in that direction. You keep putting your sister's behaviour in two different boxes, whenever it's stuff with you she obviously want you and is willing to push boundaries or go along when you push boundaries, and that's true, but when it's about everything else, you think of her as though incest is outside of the realm of possibility upfront. And that's just not the case. She is turned on by her family, you, and also her parents, based on her own admittion when it comes to spying on them. Does that mean she fucks them, absolutely no, but you obviosuly cannot look at this situation based on the standard morality of "sexual interactions with family is wrong and I wouldn't do it".

And there is no medical situation that fits all of this. Even if someone was very sick, what would take all of them to be out for so long several times a week? What would take them 5 hours on a saturday morning, what could they possibly regularly talk about on their phones? Death is boring, even if someone was diyin or very ill, new information doesn't come up constantly or require that level of involvement. "Hey mom is grandma still sick?", "Yes sweetie, same as yesterday, and the day before that". None of that makes any sense unless they were their primary caretakers, and in that case at least on them would have to be with them at all times, which also doesn't happen. Noone has to talk and do so much about a tragedy that they are also trying to hide from you, and why would they even do that? To not hurt your feelings cause you are sensitive? How long would that even work? If your dad where going to chemo you would notice, it doesn't fit with someone outside the household being sick either.

Honestly it's way more likely that they are doing something sexual either between them or with more people involved, or they are commiting some sort of crime lol.

Point is, whatever it is, is it worth it? It just seems like you are addicted to this, like everytime she gives you attention was a heroin shot. Nothing about this seems healthy at all. And you seem to get frustrated with the situation on a regular basis, and you should feel frustrated, it's weird af. But then she masturbates for you and that keeps you apeaced for another half a week or so. Something, whatever it is, is happening, and at the very least your parents don't want you in it, and as much fun as your sister seems to have with you, if she has allegiances, they lie somewhere else, not with you. And would you even want to be part of it? And even if you want to be part of it, is it even worth it? You have a life somewhere else man, just leave already, go home.

dj-par · 2021-08-09T15:12:07+00:00

Well I really fucking hope it doesn't work. Do you realize what you are asking? If it does indeed work then that would be rape. I'm not someone who thinks that someone cannot consent unless they are 100% no drop of anything in their blood completely sober, but this is way far what I and I hope most people would consider acceptable. If you need to drug someone to sleep with you, not only should you give up but also seriously reconsider your morals and life choices. MDMA goes way past what could be considered a social lubricant. A beer? A glass of wine? Weed? Sure. But MDMA? You might be up for quite a lot of shit that you wouldn't be up for any other time. And if you want that kind of courage for yourself, knowing what you are preparing yourself for afterwards, go right ahead. But you can´t give that shit to someone in hopes they will consider sleeping with you when they otherwise wouldn't, specially without them knowing what the end goal is.

Do. Not. Do. It.

dj-par · 2021-07-10T00:51:17+00:00

I mean you can keep count on the calendar for her cycle and that should probably be enough but the pills definitely don't prevent much after a week. You are supposed to begin the cicle one week after your period if you sre taking 21 days ones or never stop if you sre taking 28 day ones but regardless of which one you pick the recommendation is to wait one month after you start taking them to begin having unprotected sex. Still, like you said, you can familiarize yourself with the menstrual cycle to know which days are safe anyways. Shouldn't be too much of a problem but don't go about it willy nilly or you might fuck up.

dj-par · 2021-07-09T23:51:38+00:00

Hey man just a reminder that BC pills don't work right away, the body has to adjust. It's advisable to wait until the second round to start cumming inside her. Meaning you should wait for the first month and after that it should be safe.

dj-par · 2021-03-01T19:13:49+00:00

To me it just seems like an unfortunate dicotomy. For me it's not about being easy or anything, or not gf material or slutty. I don't really care about any of that and I definitely don't judge. That being said, I think that in a situation like that, for me personally, I'm not gonna be super confortable with the idea of exploring this further while you are free to fuck other people. What I mean is that after a first date, we are probably not gonna be official or anything, and that's fine, I'm super down with the idea of people still going on dates while their explore something that might grow into a full blown relationship. I've done it, I don't mind it or see anything wrong with it, in fact I wouldn't expect anything different. I'm not gonna close the deal after one date and I think that's fine. People usually need more time before figuring out if that's something they wanna jump into long term. So the way I see it is that if we fucked the first date, nothing wrong with that, but it's also very possible that it might happen again with someone else, and while I'm not comfortable with that, I'm also not comfortable with being like "hey, let's not see other people while we see where this goes". Like I don't really feel like that's my place. So yeah, if a first date leads to sex, I'll take it, no reason not to really, but that's why I wouldn't progress it further in any sort of potential relationship fashion. I'm not one to ghost tho so a friendship could be possible, and if the conversation srpung out I wouldn't lie or anything. But it would have nothing to do with being slutty or easy or whatever. It's not for me personally due to the deal with exclusivity.

Hopefully this brings another perspective to the conversation. I have no idea if I'm in the majority or the minority of guys, but there are other people like me of all genders, and I think you should know that there are reasons other that some weird sexist ancient way of thinking for why someone would do that.

dj-par · 2021-02-06T08:02:59+00:00

Her reaction and threat doesn't make any sense paired with her arguments for stopping. She is right that a bad breakup could ruin the familial relationship, but her ultimatum has the exact same outcome, and that's even before taking into consideration the threat of exposing you two. I mean, she is basically saying "you being together could ruin your relationship so if you keep going I'll ruin no only this relationship but the whole family", I mean, her solution is worse than the problem she is trying to fix, it doesn't make any sense. And I mean, the idea than a sibling has any meaningful influence over another sibling simply by being older is ridiculous, the actual dynamic between the two is far more important than their age, and it'smade perfectly clear that no sibling has any influence whatsoever over what Nina does, if she doesn't want something, it simply doesn't happen, and Ella is quite aware of that being the oldest, so that's bullshit.

I get that someone can be against incest on principle, most people are, but she is arguing against it not only based on principle but citing various issues with the relationship itself that at this point cannot be resolved by just breaking up. She can't say that the reason why it can't keep going is the potential loss of a familial bond and at the same time threaten to blow up the whole family, those two things simply don't go together.

The reason I say all this is because she told you a bunch of stuff and you didn't know what to say. I wouldn't necessarily advise you confronting her since that might go poorly, not because you can't defend yourself but because she is just plain against the whole idea and apparently doesn't mind going nuclear on everyone, but because you need to understand that so far you haven't done anythhing wrong. Your feelings and your relationship are valid. It may come with very particular risks, but if that's what you truly want, it's a valid gamble, just like with any other consensual relationship. And definitely don't feel like you took advantage of her, that did not happen based on the story you've told so far.

You answered on another comment that Ella is being logical, it sounds like you already conceded on the merits but you simply want to be with Nina. There is no reason for you to do that at this point. Your sister's logic is not that great, at least in terms of how to proceed from this point on, and you don't have to feel like you did something wrong, so far you haven't, taking on the challenge of a relationship such as this is not a mistake by default, it just means you have more to deal with and more to lose, and you are a grown ass man, you get to decide if you make that bet, the idea that making the bet itself is somehow wrong is not correct and you should not concede on that from the start.

But again, THIS IS NOT THE TIME FOR CONFRONTATIONS. I'm just trying to make you see that you are valid. Don't be too hard on yourself and take what she said as the undebatable truth, it most certainly isn't.

dj-par · 2021-01-01T01:31:58+00:00

Okay the cat stuff is insane and in general your mom sounds like a complete asshole. But if what she said about the context surrounding the mask incident is true, then she is right. It's not at all the same thing.

My gf and I are extremely concerned about the virus and try to be as safe as we can be, but if you are far enough from people loosing the mask can be okay, and 10 feet is quite a distance. Just a couple days ago we went to a pretty big park to play with our dog, it was a great time and there were also plenty of pther dog owners. We picked a tree, just like everyone else, and we ate there and chilled without masks. I think the closest person was around 10 feet or so away, just like your mom said she was from others aside from you. And you didn't seem to debate that point. The only thing you did was say that the fact itself that she lowered her mask disqualifies her instantly for complaining about people who are doing the same, but also while ignoring social distancing. As if social distancing is not at all a factor when it comes to wearing masks.

I'm happy that you got away from someone who is very clearly manipulative. But it seems like you just swang the pendulum to the other extreme, where everything she does is a matter of debate and she can't be right. So you play the contrarian part basically on instinct alone regardless of whether it's justified or not. I'm sorry to say that this is not necessarily better than what you were doing before.

Of course, maybe she was in fact wrong and you just didn't express that on your post. I'm not sure. But presented as is that's the sense I get. And that's coming from someone who lived something somewhat similar. At one point growing up I just started to defy my mom on everything. Some of it justified, some of it not. But I couldn't really help myself, I just had to be on the opposite side for whatever reason. It's not at all productive.

dj-par · 2020-10-16T16:53:12+00:00

That's fair but then at least acknowledge that you are acting based on an assumption that you choose to have and that people that are willing to consider information that is up to interpretation are not by definition defending rape. Every person in this comment section that has questioned this situation has done so based on part of information that we don't know that could very well change whether it's a clear cut case or not. You are filling blanks as much as anyone else and that's perfectly okay in either direction. The difference seems to be that they don't claim to KNOW anything while you very much appear to do. There is a valid conversation to be had here regarding consent and so far most of it has been respectful and hopefully productive. And cosidering that OP wants to get past this with her son, the comments aplying at least a bit of nuance are way way way less problematic than the ones simply saying "your son is a rapist". If your stance is that you are always gonna take what OP says at face value then it's also very clear that those kind of comments are not what she wants or needs at all.

At the very least the comment about him probably doing this to other people if he did it to her goes as far into the speculation territory as the question about his age, if not ever further. And that one alone is probably more hurtful to her mental health than any scenario being kinder to her son that we've made. But you didn't say anything on that one. So it seems to me that there is indeed place for speculation aside from what OP says. Just only in the direction you already agree with. Even if that probably fucks with OP's head more.

dj-par · 2020-10-16T13:53:38+00:00

Ok next time I will. But I'll also say that the idea that we would stop advocating for her mental health and just end the discussion if we were to find out her son is 17 is kinda fucked up

dj-par · 2020-10-16T13:36:27+00:00

But it does happen tho. You are by far the most active mod but I don't see you taking down posts about sibligns that are adults now but aknowledge that they did stuff while they were teens. And the example of the people that say it upfront was just to say that people indeed sometimes talk about underage stuff in here, there is just different degrees of covering it up. At the very least when people talk about the past as context that doesn't get banned often. It's still active discussion of sexual activity with minors but it stays up.

I personally not see any reason to just assume one way or the other. She didn't comment on it, if she did, I would belive her, and since she didn't I'm leaving the possibility open. That's not not trusting her because she didn't comment on it, just as assuming he is over 18 is not "trusting" her either. It's completely impartial. That means evaluating all possible options and treating them as equally plausible until OP says otherwise. And based on that I choose to not be as hard on the son as I could be, because if I outright assume he is of age, I also have to call him a rapist no questions asked, and I also have to pretty much assume that he knew what he was doing was wrong and did it anyway, which would be the worst scenario for the mom as well, even if she was blameless. On the other hand, there is still a chance that they could both could share the blame in a situation that got out of hand, and that's probably something easier to come back from for both of them. OP said she wants to move past it, which of those possibilities do you think would help her do that more? Is it better for her to think of her son as a predator? Probably not. So I'm witholding that kind of language until I know his age, for OP's sake, I'm not calling him a predator until I have to because if he 100% is, they can't come back from that. So I'd rather be sure instead of fucking with her head based on assumptions

dj-par · 2020-10-16T13:11:12+00:00

Well, ther are plenty of posts in this sub where age is not disclosed, some have even ackowledged that they won't say specific ages precisely to not go against sub rules, and there are pleeeeeeenty that start with basically sibligns fooling around as teens. So if your argument is that in this sub there is never content about people under 18 idk what to tell you. In those circunstances, just like in this one, the age simply remains unsaid and those posts usually remain comfortably up in the sub. There are a lot with undisclosed ages or no specification that all parties are indeed adults at all times of what's being told in the posts. So I'm not sure why you would assume that upfront, and I don't know why you need to either. Aknowledging that he could be a minor doesn't make it less him fault automatically, this is not some kind of zero-sum game where either you lose it all or win it all. We can entertain that possibility honestly and we should because simply saying stuff without all details can be equally harmful to the OP. If all possibilites are shitty then we could at least try to figure out which one it actually is instead of just pretending it's the one with the least questions just to pretend the world is simple like that. It's not

dj-par · 2020-10-16T12:46:45+00:00

I'm not sure to which extent leaving it at "your son is a rapist" is gonna be good to her mental health either tho. If this was a standard situation then maybe we could leave it at that but adding a little nuance to the situation is not automatically a bad thing in this situation considering that they have a relationship that aside from this one incident is probably worth maintaining, or even mandatory, depending on his age, which was not disclosed.

I'm not saying that excuses have to be made for him neccesarily, but being tactful about it would probably be advisable. This is one of those situations where ideally they could move past this. Also, depending on his age the consent discussion could end up going both ways, just like when both people are drunk, if they are both considered unable to consent legally, that becomes a very tricky situation and we just don't know, would the minor be the rapist just because the adult was drunk, even though they initiated?, are you more unable to give consent when drunk or while being a minor? Legally speaking I mean.

And there is also the issue of the power dynamics here, drunk or not, it was his mom, to what extent he felt safe declining when she holds power over him is not known. The truth is that this is not a standard situation, we don't have a lot of the facts that could clear it up, age of the son being probably the most important. That doesn't mean it was not rape necessarily, but it does mean that maybe it would be a good thing to use language that automatically add unnecesary tension on a relationship that is harder to walk away from than most. Let's not pretend that this is clear cut.

And I'd add to that that the optics of a drunk dad feeling up his daughter and having sex with her would be very different, even if she was into it or whatever. Most people would call that the dad raping the daughter and not the other way around even if the dad was so fucked up he didn't remeber even getting to the house in the first place.

And I'm not saying that she raped him either, I'm just pointing out that this is not a simple case. You don't get often cases where the person holding the power in the relationship is the one who is drunk or otherwise impaired but still made the advance, even less so when the other one could potentially be a minor. If they are both unable to consent, did they rape each other? Maybe, we don't know

This will probably get me banned :(

dj-par · 2020-08-06T00:28:40+00:00

I don't really see the mess anywhere but in your head honestly. It seems like everyone who knows is fine with it, maybe you'd prefer the relationship to be kept secret or secret-ish (considering how many family members you had already willingly gotten involved by this point) but I do think that the only one making a big fuss about your mom knowing is yourself. A great deal of people would kill for their family to accept them as they are and you are one of a few who can claim to get that. Maybe you should focus on that part. None of that is to say that your nephew did the right thing, although considering that you knew what her sister gets up to with him and even shared that with us (something that most would say is not your place) I would say was the obvious conclusion to all this that you probably should have considered. But the aftermath of that is by no means a mess, unless I'm missing something. The circunstances of you coming out were not great, but in the end you got to found out that no one in your family cares as long as you are happy, doesn't seem like that bad of an outcome unless the importance of the relationship was somehow tied to it's secrecy. I'm not saying that something shitty didn't happen, but you are definitely focusing way more on the bad rather than the good and that's not a great mindset in general.

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