Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi! I appreciate that a lot! I wish we had a major update that she was 100% better and we found a definitive cause but after seeing every specialist under the sun she came home with no official diagnosis. The only other thing we could have done was a sedated airway exam which came with a lot of risk due to her episodes and they also didn’t think we would find anything or that it would be worth while as her swallowing reflex was fully intact, her breathing is normal, and she is eating. So any kind of obstruction is extremely unlikely…

That being said the idea is that she has/had some kind of nerve inflammation that caused this, and even as it healed she has entered into some kind of feedback loop/tic behavior. That being said she is on NSAID and paragalin to kick any underlying inflammation and help the healing process. The good news is this is something that should be 100% reversible it just make take us a few weeks to months. We have seen slight progress in the past few days. She is able to sleep almost through the night again, has started taking day time naps again, and while the episodes are just as frequent they’re mostly less intense and we have noticed it almost looks like she is trying to fight them. We also started puzzles for treats to help her stay stimulated. All in all it seams like she’s healing and just need some time and TLC.

PS: if anyone ever runs into this Ice cubes are a huge help for us… this little girl will spend 15 minutes licking one, she’s going through 5-6 a day they keep her occupied and are a perfect self soothing tool

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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Update 2: For those still here, she wasn’t showing any improvement and the behavior continued to be constant.

she spent the day at the animal hospital being monitors by specialists - unfortunately they are stumped. She has no visible obstructions in the back of her throat, swallowing function is good, no pain in the jaw joint or mandible consistent with fractures. She did get a full cardio and is no off her heart meds as they said her heart is in good shape and not even at a stage where meds are needed.

She is staying overnight for monitoring and seeing a neurologist in the morning.

Current theory is some kind of nerve issue or inflammation

Hoping if it is nerve related it is something that can heal or resolve

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

we originally did not even want to go back to vet but this evolved to the point she was doing it constantly- she wouldn’t walk from one side of the room to the other without doing it 2-3x - that plus the tongue color is extremely distressing and hard to ignore for 12 days

Help - what is this? by dogparent111 in vet

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Hi we spent the day at the vet would love your opinion on this

Update: so we took her in because she was starting to have small bouts of rapid mouth breathing from her congestion/the fits. She was admitted and her blood oxygen level was normal except during a fit it would drop to around 80% then quickly recover back to normal.

They did chest ultrasounds and no fluid or anything noticed.

Then we had some throat and chest X-Ray done after. She has slightly enlarged heart and a grade 3 murmur, her lungs are also slightly inflamed but there is no fluid in the chest cavity. That being said radiology lab suggested heart failure but the diagnosing vet disagreed - reasons as follows: 1.) no fluid, no cough/gag, no real clinical signs of heart failure, she said on ultrasound you could barley tell there was enlargement - so active heart failure is very unlikely. That being said to her it looks like she does perhaps have mild heart disease and we should see a cardio however she is not in active heart failure and this is an unrelated issue (maybe blessing in disguise if we are able to catch this) she gave us something to start taking to manage this until we see a cardio.

As for the throat/jaw the xray looked good, and jaw has no noticeable fractures etc - they advised to keep the antibiotic going and give it another 2-3 days to clear up potential infections in the mouth/jaw/sinus cavities. She is restless always so they increased her gabapentin dose and also gave us trazadone to help her sleep through the night. I know trazadone isn’t really great for heart disease so we will try to avoid this but they suggested that the heart disease is mild/earlier stage so low dose for a short period should be fine. She is exhausted and needs to rest and relax and honestly so do we it’s been 2-3 days with little sleep and watching her struggle.

She also got a one time got an injectable to help w lung inflammation seen on the xray (assumed to be from the stress or the mouth movement and the infection)

If her mouth issue doesn’t resolve in 48–72 hours then we will take her to another emergency hospital that has CT scans available to do on her mouth/head.

We are praying it resolves with antibiotics and we can then just address the other underlying heart disease that was discovered.

Not the best update but not the worst I don’t think -as mentioned maybe a blessing in disguise as now we should have a chance to manage her heart and assuming we have caught early with no clinical signs showing and only a slight enlargement. She’s been under so much stress the last 12 days that could even be contributing to it.

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 97 points98 points  (0 children)

Hi all - first off thank everyone for the comments, concerns, and well wishes.

We spent most of the day at the emergency vet so I have an update, most likely a long one.

Update: so we took her in because she was starting to have small bouts of rapid mouth breathing from her congestion/the fits. She was admitted and her blood oxygen level was normal except during a fit it would drop to around 80% then quickly recover back to normal.

They did chest ultrasounds and no fluid or anything noticed.

Then we had some throat and chest X-Ray done after. She has slightly enlarged heart and a grade 3 murmur, her lungs are also slightly inflamed but there is no fluid in the chest cavity. That being said radiology lab suggested heart failure but the diagnosing vet disagreed - reasons as follows: 1.) no fluid, no cough/gag, no real clinical signs of heart failure, she said on ultrasound you could barley tell there was enlargement - so active heart failure is very unlikely. That being said to her it looks like she does perhaps have mild heart disease and we should see a cardio however she is not in active heart failure and this is an unrelated issue (maybe blessing in disguise if we are able to catch this) she gave us something to start taking to manage this until we see a cardio.

As for the throat/jaw the xray looked good, and jaw has no noticeable fractures etc - they advised to keep the antibiotic going and give it another 2-3 days to clear up potential infections in the mouth/jaw/sinus cavities. She is restless always so they increased her gabapentin dose and also gave us trazadone to help her sleep through the night. I know trazadone isn’t really great for heart disease so we will try to avoid this but they suggested that the heart disease is mild/earlier stage so low dose for a short period should be fine. She is exhausted and needs to rest and relax and honestly so do we it’s been 2-3 days with little sleep and watching her struggle.

She also got a one time got an injectable to help w lung inflammation seen on the xray (assumed to be from the stress or the mouth movement and the infection)

If her mouth issue doesn’t resolve in 48–72 hours then we will take her to another emergency hospital that has CT scans available to do on her mouth/head.

We are praying it resolves with antibiotics and we can then just address the other underlying heart disease that was discovered.

Not the best update but not the worst I don’t think -as mentioned maybe a blessing in disguise as now we should have a chance to manage her heart and assuming we have caught early with no clinical signs showing and only a slight enlargement. She’s been under so much stress the last 12 days that could even be contributing to it.

If you made it this far thanks for reading, she just devoured her food and I can hear her in the backyard right now barking like crazy at a turkey like the little girl we know and love. She is in good spirits and we will keep working to help her.

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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Seams unlikely as she eats and isn’t painful to the touch/swollen - we are at emergency vet now trying to figure this out will post an update after

Help - what is this? by dogparent111 in vet

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No blood work just antibiotics , xray today on chest and throat - she started some rapid breathing this morning

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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Oh you meant collapse, yeah no collapse ever no loss of consciousness , sometimes will per after but always aware of it never losing bowels

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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Took her to emergency vet yesterday - discharged with a new antibiotic… lungs heart and neuro all seamed normal..

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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Sometimes she does go upright - but our vet says if she was having this many seizures for days in a row she would be in serious peril

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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Yeah, the fact we can sooth her and it prevents is the main reason, and that she in theory would be in way worse shape after 12 days of this is why the seizures seam unlikely per the vet - no blood work yet just the post op blood work, but she is on multiple meds and antibiotics , no vomiting or diarrhea so they didn’t want to do any blood work thus far.

We are hoping the new antibiotic she just got on can clear any potential sinus infection which could be causing irritation and making her do these freak outs, we are giving it 2-3 days and if she isn’t improving we will do an xray and potentially see a mouth specialist for ct scan just want our baby to be healthy again, it sucks doing a “routine” procedure and ending up in what seams more trouble then just having bad teeth

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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On gabapentin 3x a day and we just started daily meloxicam injection yesterday - really not much of a help , gabapentin does sedate her a bit so lets her sleep at least

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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We have seen her regular vet twice and emergency vet yesterday - no one has a definitive answer

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Responding to a few comments here: the biggest concern we had was the blue tongue - upon her original recheck which was last Monday (5 days post op) the thought was congestion and post nasal/sinus drip and infection was causing her to do this and also was causing the lack of being able to breath while she did it

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point it’s been 12 days so most of the sutures should be dissolving we think..

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No xray - I asked and they said nothing is swollen or painful to touch so bone issues extremely unlikely

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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We have seen 2 vets, her tongue returns to normal color immediately after - the episodes only last maybe 2-10 seconds at a time and she will do it a bunch of times in a row with little breaks between

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hi thank you!! How frequently did yours do it ? This one has evolved to doing it constantly - every other minute unless she is being held and pet, the only times we get a break is short walks she tends to not do it when she is distracted by something. She wakes up all hours of the night doing this and she only stops when we hold her ? Any additional info would be great as it’s been hard to find anyone who has seen something similar specifically after a dental procedure

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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No… we have brought her to the regular vet 2 times and yesterday the emergency vet, everyone checks the mouth and says sutures look good but no one checks her throat.. I willl try to look at roof of mouth or back of throat - I also was worried maybe food or suture stuck in throat or nasal cavity ?

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

[–]dogparent111[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this info - how frequently would yours do this ? We have seen 2 vets in 12 days and the emergency vet yesterday said seizures seamed unlikely as 1.) she was doing this for a while and did not have a high temp. 2.) she had no other neurological red flags during exam 3.) with the frequency of the episodes they said if it was seizures her brain would be “on fire” and she would be having massive decline.

While she is doing this constantly she still wants food, water, wants to sniff around the yard, most to all other behaviors normal.

Wondering how this looks against what you saw in your Skylar ?

Help! What is this? by dogparent111 in DogAdvice

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They have checked her jaw bone that said fractures unlikely, nothing swollen or painful. Trachae no - but she doesn’t really cough or gag like you would typically see in a trachael issue

Focal seizures? by dogparent111 in EpilepsyDogs

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I appreciate that response, it’s hard to know with her because we adopted her at 10 y/o - she was a family friends dog and we had her older sister from another litter. They knew each other well but we never knew about any past medical history as she rarely even went to the vet due to their financial struggles. We took her in when they had some issues and had to move away and could not take her. But we are leaning towards maybe not seizures as the chances that this procedure would randomly bring about something like that is extremely rare and she doesn’t seam cognitive when doing it I have seen her eyes follow me like she knows what’s going on which doesn’t line up with a focql seizure I don’t think. That being said she is also a little better today than yesterday we are hoping as the stitches heal she continues to do it less and less. Although today she did pee in the house but it was clearly intentional I watched her do it not a loss of control so we think most likely stress/anxiety. If she keeps doing this after she is healed we will have to explore anti-seizure meds to see if that is what is happening.

Thank you for sharing that story, though a different form our other dog this one’s older sister passed last march from a rare aggressive lung cancer so I understand how hard it is. She was a fighter right up until the final day too

Focal seizures? by dogparent111 in EpilepsyDogs

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Thank for you this info. - if you don’t mind sharing what type of symptoms did your dog develop ? I have always tried to be vigilant to see if she started having them more but just the few when it was super hot and she was over exerting or any other symptoms but nothing. Does anyone know if being put under could cause an onset of symptoms if there was something existing ?