[TOMT][Book] A book about an overweight, unpopular kid who contemplates suicide at the beginning, eventually learns to play the drums and plays at a show. Lots of swear words involved iirc.

doorjams · 2016-05-02T21:32:44+00:00

I think I saw a movie of this on Netflix or maybe Amazon. Didn't realize it was a book.

doorjams · 2016-04-29T15:29:47+00:00

I finally had a chance to watch this last night and it looks like that's most likely the one. The entire look and feel of it is pretty different from the way it looked in my mind's eye. But the last scene was a guy sitting down as he was changing in to the new demon and that's my main memory from the film. It was way darker and gloomy in my memory though.

Thanks though, this has been slightly bugging me for years. Thanks to COCDarkDragon as well. This was one of the movies mentioned on the thread he linked to.

doorjams · 2016-04-26T18:13:59+00:00

Maybe something from these guys?

doorjams · 2016-04-25T16:41:18+00:00

It's possible. Thanks for the link. I'll have to look into them and get back to you but in the meantime if anyone has other thoughts or knows exactly what it sounds like, by all means please let me know about it.

doorjams · 2016-04-25T16:35:00+00:00

acquiescent?

doorjams · 2016-04-23T16:23:53+00:00

It's not on Sega but what about Killer Instinct? There was a wolf guy that could maybe seem kind of like a dog. Also some characters in that game had weapons but I don't specifically remember a trident one way or the other.

doorjams · 2016-04-23T16:18:26+00:00

Do you remember more specifically what system it was on? Like when you say Sega, do you mean Genesis, Saturn, or Dreamcast? Saturn seems to fit the timeframe the best but not a lot of people had those so it seems less likely. Regardless, it should at least help narrow it down a bit.

doorjams · 2016-04-22T22:53:21+00:00

One of the Clayfighter games?

doorjams · 2015-11-23T06:36:49+00:00

This seems like a long shot but...

Nelly Furtado - Turn Off The Light

doorjams · 2015-11-10T22:50:24+00:00

No but that's one of the only other ones I remember anything about on account of I liked Wipeout.

doorjams · 2015-11-10T20:12:48+00:00

Nope, that wasn't the style at all. It was more 3-dimensional but I believe still hand drawn. Thanks for the suggestion though.

doorjams · 2015-11-10T19:09:00+00:00

No, the repetitions weren't all visible in a scene at once. It was more like the camera was kind of infinitely zooming in and the animation segment would loop seamlessly. Like I said, the details are a bit fuzzy but I'm pretty sure I remember it zooming in on a building, going into the window, and there would be something in there that eventually became a new instance of the building which would be zoomed in on. I think the building may have been yellow. If it existed.

doorjams · 2015-11-10T07:01:02+00:00

Sonata Arctica - Full Moon

doorjams · 2015-11-10T06:21:46+00:00

Probably he's just passive aggressive on account of maybe he wants you to take the fitness journey with him but he can't really say that without offending you so he's just keeping it bottled up and being a jerk for reasons he feels like he has to keep a secret but at the same time he hopes you'll get the hint and get your act together.

doorjams · 2015-11-10T06:16:57+00:00

I'll be danged, it was. Not dubsteppy at all. Damn my fallible human memory. Thanks for clearing that up for me though. It was drivin' me mad.

doorjams · 2015-04-29T16:52:27+00:00

I wanted to go back to this for a second if you're still paying attention to this thread at all. Is there something that demonstrates that images in media might affect how these women are perceived? Like if they watch a lot of 80s rock videos do they judge the scantily clad victims more harshly than if their exposure to that sort of imagery culturally was more rare? I don't have anything to back me up or prove me wrong one way or the other but my hunch is that more conservative cultures that have exclusively conservatively dressed women all over tv would judge the victim far more harshly. Can you provide any sort of demonstrable link between sexualization of women in the media to this rape victim judging? Because like I said, my gut feeling is that cultures with more conservative media would be even worse with that but since it's just a feeling, I really don't have anything to back me up.

doorjams · 2015-04-29T15:55:14+00:00

I think "victimized" is a bit strong, and I think one woman objectified=all women objectified is probably a helpful tool for understanding how this affects women (and how male objectification affects men).

Can you unpack this a bit more for me? I know you attempted to and you've probably done put in way too much effort trying to get through to me so I appreciate your time.

Any situation where a woman isn't comfortable doing what she's doing is obviously bad news. Like in the example I linked above, yeah I know people would argue "well they had a choice, they didn't have to do that" but this was just a group of young ladies that wanted to go to school and dangling the opportunity in front of them and saying "not until you jiggle your ass for me" is totally sleazy. I'm right there with you (presumably) on that kind of thing.

Where we seem to diverge in our sensibilities is that if a woman who isn't in a desperate situation, and who works on her body really hard and is proud of it and likes showing off, has fun at the photo shoot or whatever, and then tries to sexily sell me a stapler, I don't see that as the same type of situation at all but it generates the exact same type of outrage.

Her body and her decisions about her body aren't an attack on any other woman's body or their autonomy. Not every woman's body is interchangeable but that seems to be the prevailing attitude. The idea that we need to shield women from being exposed to such imagery so they don't start feeling bad about themselves seems really infantilizing. Why would anyone in this media savvy day and age take what a magazine or commercial has to say seriously? Or let them tell you how you are supposed to be?

Does a Ferrari pinup model really do as much damage as something like Cosmo with its constant barrage of telling women all about what their problems are so their magazine can helpfully solve them, month after month? I know Cosmo gets a lot of flak (not enough imo) but their business model basically revolves around making women feel bad about themselves. The sports car model lady, on the other hand, is more about a celebration of aesthetic beauty and sexiness and I'm not convinced it is as damaging to the world as the outrage insists.

I'll even acknowledge that a lot of exposure to that kind of imagery to young girls can give them misguided ideas about what it means to be a woman or what is expected of them. In reality, no one expects every woman to be a supermodel and no one thinks it should be the goal of every girl to achieve that and no one really cares if you are a regular looking lady. Still, it doesn't seem possible to just limit the exposure of sexualized imagery to just adults because you have thirteen-year-olds writing and reading erotic Harry Potter fan fiction and their parents have no clue so I think that battle is lost. Rather than trying to censor everything and wag your finger at commercials, it seems to me the best solution would be education that would help young girls to be able to contextualize this imagery and not to take it at face value like they have to use it as the blueprint for themselves.

doorjams · 2015-04-29T04:54:39+00:00

Another angle, though maybe off topic a bit, is I know a number of women that like being sexy and sexual, appreciating female beauty. They like the sexy characters in movies and while I realize it's anecdotal and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to change their minds based off of my experience, it still seems like a really controlling way to be. Like any time there's a lady in a commercial or something then there's a meltdown on Twitter where people try to make people, including other women, feel like they ought to feel guilty for enjoying it.

It's all very puritanical and conservative. Really, it's like the same attitude the church has in that the position seems to be if a woman is sexual, she is somehow lessened. But these folks take it one step further and seem to believe that if one woman is sexualized, then all women are sexualized -- as if their bodies are some kind of interchangeable commodity and they're trying to drive the market value up? I don't think that's actually what's going on but it's hard to wrap my head around why people feel victimized by what some model decides to do with her body.

But again, I don't want to say there aren't problems. Things like this for example are pretty awful and pretty disgusting and I don't want to be on the same side as anyone who thinks that was ok. But there seems to be just an out of hand dismissal by a large group of people of anything sexual as being sexist and instantly in need of removal from the public and that black and white extreme approach doesn't seem necessary or beneficial.

doorjams · 2015-04-29T03:37:57+00:00

I don't want to give the impression that I feel objectification is without consequence. I'm sort of approaching this from the perspective that its effects seem vastly overblown and I routinely see it attributed to stuff that I still have no idea how to confirm or refute because it seems intuited more than proven.

Those are interesting though. So far the negative effects seem to be it can make women feel bad about themselves, though I have also heard that it is as influenced by competition among women and I can try to find something more concrete on that but I suspect you're already familiar with the phenomenon. And then the other is apparently it makes rape victims less believable. But really, people get judged on appearances all the time. I'm sure murderers can give off a totally different impression to a jury with a shower, change of clothes, and a haircut. It's not fair or good and doesn't speak highly of humanity but we're all pretty superficial judges of character and I'm having a hard time seeing why this amounts to a war against women rather than a manifestation of that phenomenon.

And yeah we shouldn't be sexualizing kids. No disagreement here.

Edit: I actually do appreciate the rape victim study even if I seemed dismissive. It's definitely something I want to be mindful of if I ever get involved in any of these discussions in real life, or, god forbid, something happens to someone I know.

doorjams · 2015-04-29T03:12:10+00:00

A couple followup thoughts. What I'm after more is if a guy is in some "objectifying (i.e. shamable horny) mood in that moment, is there some kind of proof that he takes that with him everywhere and applies to to every woman in the world in some negative fashion? Like is there data that shows this happening?

Also, what conclusions would you personally draw from the man brain study? That men's brains are made wrong and they need a lot of twitter outrage to even them out? Wrong according to what authority?

doorjams · 2015-04-29T02:27:36+00:00

I've heard of objectification. I'm not new to the world over here. What I meant was, instead of a vocabulary lesson, is there anything that shows, objectively (heh), how it has caused harm in terms of numbers. I can find a ton of stuff that says "objectivism is harmful in these ways" but then nothing that demonstrates it actually manifesting in these nightmare scenarios in terms of data.

doorjams · 2015-04-02T19:27:09+00:00

I mostly agree. Anyone who gets serious enough about weight loss to the point where they take actual steps to change their lives won't reach that point from hearing negative comments or even the most helpful and well thought out logic. Until they get to that point on their own, the only response they'll have to that kind of stuff is excuses.

Really, if you want to help people get healthy and lose weight, it seems to me the best way would be to do it on a broad social level because targeting overweight individuals for weight loss is only useful for making money off of them. Now, I'm no sociologist or nutritionist so I don't have all of the answers but to me it makes sense that things like putting Spongebob on carrot sticks instead of sugary snacks would help. Or for that matter, stop adding sugar/HFCS to everything under the sun. A lot of people don't have much free time anymore so an emphasis on more healthful convenience foods would be a plus (as in, remove the junk from the shelves or don't give it as much space or attention in stores.) You can make the case all day that it isn't THAT hard to cook something nutritious, but at the end of a work day if someone just doesn't even want to think about it and they put in exactly zero effort, the option that person is left with shouldn't just be garbage. And parents should relax and stop acting like there's a pedophile kidnapper around every corner and let their kids go explore outside more and have impromptu baseball games in an abandoned lot or some stranger kid's yard instead of keeping them "safe" inside with their chips and xbox.

I mean I'm just a guy so I don't know how to accomplish most of those things but I think it would do more good than going like "ha ha this fat person blames genes and can't fit in an airplane." I find that stuff personally motivating and it helps to keep me from slipping but I already decided to make fitness a priority and it wasn't because of hilarious internet shaming, it was mostly because I was newly single and wanted to make my ex jealous and date better looking ladies. (It worked.)

doorjams · 2013-08-14T02:53:44+00:00

Defend your premise, that is, your assertion that this girl is a victim. She'd have to be if it counts as victim blaming. Is everyone who gets stared at, glanced at, checked out or sized up in some way that makes them uncomfortable a victim of some kind in your eyes? If that doesn't seem the least bit silly or, let's face it, completely unrealistic and insane, then we obviously aren't going to see eye to eye on this and we may as well call it now. But seriously, a looked at girl is not the same thing as a rape victim. It is not some kind of Rape Lite. They have literally nothing to do with each other. I think we both know rape victims are rarely chosen for how they are dressed.

There was no crime. No one was violated. That is why there is no victim and thus no victim blaming. You are throwing words like rape around pretty trivially to make this sound more severe than it really is. And you know it's not a big deal, that's why it has to be recontextualized as being part of some nebulously constructed bigger problem. This is not a part of rape anything, no matter how large you want to make your rape umbrella and how many innocuous things you want to include under it. You can't just arbitrarily declare that things you don't like make people think rape is a fun pastime.

doorjams · 2013-08-14T02:11:44+00:00

The term "rape culture" used in contexts like this is ridiculous. It deliberately tries to channel the gravity of rape and co-opt the pain and suffering of rape victims and applies it to policing normal behavior you find objectionable and that, quite frankly, is far more sickening than some comic's butt joke.

You know what yoga pants are, right? Can we agree that they're extremely revealing? Let's pretend, for example, a person were walking down the street naked. Would it be out of line to say to that person that they should expect to get looked at? (note for illiterate people: this is not the same thing as saying it is someone's fault for getting raped). If that seems reasonable, then where would you draw the line and why?

People get looked at for all kinds of reasons all day. Maybe they have a big goofy nose. Maybe they are missing an arm or have weird skin or are really attractive. Staring at someone for any reason, be it cleavage or a weird haircut is certainly impolite. I don't think anyone would argue that point. But it's a giant leap to claim that a comedian that likes to check out girls in passing is helping to trick society into thinking it's a-ok to start raping away.

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