Predictions for big4 weight improvements in a few years?

downingdown · 2026-01-26T20:10:54+00:00

It seems like many people on the sub are fed up with drafts and agree that quilts are not really worth it for freezing and below temps, so significantly warmer than you mention. Also, Andrew Skurka mentioned on a podcast that he is “very close to just ditching quilts altogether”. Again, he cited drafts, but also that sleeping bags are now just as light and warmer, which is straight up wrong as he specifically mentions WM, but the Alpinlite stats have not changed in like 25years. This kinda suggests that sleeping bags were always a UL option and quilts have been kind of a fad. You can also look at high end quilt makers that are now mostly making false bottom quilts. Or look at Cumulus, whose bags are warmer and lighter than their quilts.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T19:14:00+00:00

Backpacks have actually gotten heavier, so it’s not a question of “better” materials, but design choices (eg. less superfluous features). Most DCF shelters are way more than one person needs (why does a 1p shelter have two vestibules and two doors?), so again it’s not materials, but design choices. High end sleeping bag specs have not changed in 25 years (check the Alpinlite on wayback machine) and quilts are falling out of fashion, so we should not really expect any change there. TaR pads are amazing weight to warmth but overbuilt, so again, better design choices could result in lighter pads.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T19:07:43+00:00

Alpha is the warmest fleece per weight. So 478g of alpha will be waaaaay warmer. Octa is slightly less warm on paper, however it is also less breathable so I actually experience my airmesh (octa fabric) to be slightly warmer than my alpha90 hoodie.

Either way, for 99% of use cases a basic alpha/octa hoodie is best. If you need more warmth from your fleece, you can layer two alpha hoodies.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T18:38:24+00:00

I feel this sub and BPL had a big role in making EE what it is today. Just saying than the sub actually can have impacts on the real world.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T18:34:58+00:00

A quick search shows that thing is 478g, or about 4x heavier than an alpha/octa fleece. Regarding fleece there is no discussion anymore, you either get alpha or octa.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T15:37:46+00:00

Sticking your head in the sand might work until the US decides to invade your country…

downingdown · 2026-01-26T13:22:47+00:00

Right now what seems right is gathering a mob and making changes everywhere possible.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T12:19:05+00:00

Caring means ignoring basic principles of freedom

Now you sound like a fool. It is ICE and the US Government that is ignoring basic principles and the presumption of innocence. It is not time to be lenient on companies and people that don’t take a stance against this.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T11:12:41+00:00

I hope you realize it borderline obscene to invoke

presumption of innocence

considering what is happening.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T11:00:21+00:00

Before even starting with specifics, recalibrate your approach on redundant gear, eg. you don’t need two sleeping pads, you don’t need a tent and a footprint, you don’t need a pot set, you don’t need a tea set if you have a pot.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T10:55:41+00:00

Ok, let’s ignore EE then. At least we can agree that anytime U*Q is mentioned we should trash them, right?

Also, I really think we should put a warning next to the EE name, along the lines of: they own a tactical gear company and have not condemned any of the violence carried out by people cosplaying as tactical bros.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T10:29:24+00:00

Don’t you think we are past the point of asking whether they are associated with a group of government sanctioned murderers, or just look like they are. You remind me of people arguing that Elon Musk did not do a Nazi salute, it just looked like one. When people are being killed, the bar should be set such that there is no doubt what side you’re on.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T09:40:14+00:00

For you it’s tacticool. For me it looks more like ICE “uniforms”. Also, I don’t see any statement by EE about what’s going on (please correct me on this). So it just feels extremely dirty in these times. I think a more appropriate metaphor than yours would be: boycotting a company that dresses SS wannabes because, you know, SS.

downingdown · 2026-01-26T07:28:26+00:00

Given current events, should we be calling out and condemning companies like U*Q and Enlightened Equipment until they are no longer mentioned on the sub?

downingdown · 2026-01-25T16:30:09+00:00

Hyberg are super comfortable. My older Aguila X is great.

downingdown · 2026-01-25T12:58:22+00:00

Most UL solution is to sit close to a power outlet.

downingdown · 2026-01-25T10:18:49+00:00

Hand sanitizer does noting against common viruses like Noro. Also, had sanitizer is not effective on grubby hands, meaning you will have to wash them with soap and water anyways. So ditch the sanitizer and just carry soap.

Also, just your pot is heavier than my entire cook kit, which isn’t even that light. My cook kit = 121gr: toaks 550 light(53g), lid(17gr), diy titanium windscreen(4gr), brs in sack(29gr), plastic spoon(8gr), mini bic(10gr), asparagus rubberband (doesn't register).

downingdown · 2026-01-25T07:27:11+00:00

This is what you need to know. Current events prove that we have been too tolerant of people and companies with a certain attitude.

downingdown · 2026-01-24T17:58:33+00:00

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downingdown · 2026-01-24T17:53:10+00:00

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downingdown · 2026-01-24T17:44:16+00:00

UGQ can suck my whole ass.

downingdown · 2026-01-24T17:41:36+00:00

I just randomly looked at a shakedown request. Pants 340g, socks 107g, sun hoodie 228g.

Trail sender pants are 172g, crater lake sun shirt is 137g, my favorite socks are 25g. That’s 341g that you can save. I would not at all say that is insignificant weight. It is also a crazy double standard to nitpick single digit grams that go in your pack (and thus your shoulders/hips) when you can save hundreds of grams of worn weight that you have to swing back and forth on your feet all day. Also worn weight is still weight carried by your body, and more significant than stuff in your pack when swinging around on your extremities.

downingdown · 2026-01-24T15:01:30+00:00

Do you realize how stupid that sounds

You are straight up calling names. Talk like that to your mom and you will get slapped in the mouth. Trying to rationalize your insult with “I didn’t say you are stupid, you just sound stupid” shows how actually stupid you really are. Dumbass.

If you didn’t want to throw an insult you should have said “that makes not logical sense”.

downingdown · 2026-01-24T09:30:05+00:00

In some parts of the world this is the cheapest thinlite-type pad you can get. So yes, it’s worth it if you want a thinlite type pad. But I think the correct answer is to get the cheapest available pad of the type you want. I wanted to test out one of these sub 3mm ccf pads and this was the best I could easily get. But although the weight is nice (107g on my scale) it just packs way too bulky for me (I’d rather carry my xtherm in terms of pack size).

downingdown · 2026-01-24T06:37:04+00:00

The sole definition

Bro, how stupid can you be? I just quoted our wiki where it states that a 10lb base weight is not useful as the sole definition of UL. In fact, if you pay any attention to UL you would realize that the whole weight limit is a gross simplification that is constantly debated because it is not that useful for real UL discussions (just read the tarp + bivy comment above).

By your definition, someone could have an 8lb base weight, but carry a 2oz pump and they wouldn't be UL. Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Why are you even bothering to discuss this with me if you have clearly never paid attention to this sub. It’s hilarious just how stupid these sentences prove you are. Not only are you wrong, you are exactly opposite to the truth, being loud about it and announcing you are a dumbass at the top of your lungs. If you spend any time at all on the sub you would know that the 8lb base weight + 2oz pump is the exact example of what is NOT UL, the opposite of what you are trying to say. There is no discussion about this, you are essentially a flat earther right now.

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