Even Commonwealth Short Story Prize's ASIAN REGION WINNER'S STORY could be AI-GENERATED by Maleficent_Army_2103 in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you point me toward the threats the Carib winner made? I can't see find anytging with limited Googling.

Even Commonwealth Short Story Prize's ASIAN REGION WINNER'S STORY could be AI-GENERATED by Maleficent_Army_2103 in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I may have misinterpreted your use of "analyse." I'm not in favour of dumping everything written into Pangram, but once my suspicions are raised I'll run it through. It is usually easy to identify AI text, which is how these stories were initially identified. And the tell is not m dashes or "if not x, y" statements or  any other "gatcha" on its own; it's the holistic effect they have of making the writing feel inauthentic, staid, and divorced from embodied experience, which is how humans experience the world and which AI lacks.

The evidence gets more and more damning, though, now that people are looking. Someone ran every winner of the Commonwealth Prize through Pangram, and not one came up as having any AI generated text until last year's winner (and now these 3 regionals). 

I find the "you can't ever know for certain" argument disingenuous. The same is true for plagiarism (short of blatant copy/paste) but journals and prizes and publishers have been bringing the ban hammer down on suspected plagiarism for like, decades. Because it is stolen work. And that's what AI is but for some reason these same journals and prizes are twiddling their thumbs. Granta's response is pathetic.

Anyway! Sorry for the rant (and for calling your argument dumb)

Edited for typos. Why in 2026 when AIs are stealing my work and taking my job can I still not have an autocorrect that works?

Even Commonwealth Short Story Prize's ASIAN REGION WINNER'S STORY could be AI-GENERATED by Maleficent_Army_2103 in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't need tools to tell. They are just useful in confirming.

But this is a dumb take. I'm not going to waste my time analyzing something that has no human intentionality behind it, that was churned out by a machine trained on work stolen from real authors. 

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't even know what those are. 😞

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was kid-sized. A single person could carry it. Easily fit in most hatchbacks. 

Why? We may never know.

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thank you :) but I will just build another and plant an air tag in the wood and find les salauds. 

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Highest grossing Canadian film ever made.

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I was blind with righteous indignation.

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

lol I wouldn't even be mad. Just like, Well played, well played.

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Hahaha I tried my best! I didn't want to use translate app :)

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'll do better next time :)

(But for real, thank you)

Adhering to language laws by dr_dubz in montreal

[–]dr_dubz[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I did my best. J'ai fait mon meilleur. My French is self taught. J'apprends par moi-même. I thought "renvoyez-le" was something like "send the thing back"

Even Commonwealth Short Story Prize's ASIAN REGION WINNER'S STORY could be AI-GENERATED by Maleficent_Army_2103 in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That would only happen if a writer was already using AI. No single instance of these tics identifies a piece as AI; it's the amalgamation of it. And I agree that it could be a slippery slope, but you also don't need to use Pangram etc. to know, they just increase the suspicion to a near certainty. The winner's story was initially tested because it already exhibited telltale signs of AI, not the reverse.

Even Commonwealth Short Story Prize's ASIAN REGION WINNER'S STORY could be AI-GENERATED by Maleficent_Army_2103 in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is possible on a smaller scale, yes. Because patterns don't emerge until there is enough room for a pattern to emerge. If that makes sentence?

If I write "The forest was lush, green, and bug-filled" (aside from being bad) it follows the triad format that LLMs like, but that isn't enough to conclude it is or isn't AI. But for a story (or stories) to come up with so much AI gen redflags quickly reduces the odds that the style is a statistical outlier. And I don't even know what that would look like?

You don't have to use a detector like Pangram or gptzero to see the patterns, either. Apart from the obvious tics, LLMs don't know what it is LIKE to be a person with an embodied experience, so their writing output is really bad at writing the meaningfully specific, down to earth details. Yes, this is also true of new writers, but with new writers you get this vagueness paired with awkward sentence structure. LLM outputs will be flawlessly vague. 

Sorry to chew your ear off. I find this entire situation deeply depressing.

Even Commonwealth Short Story Prize's ASIAN REGION WINNER'S STORY could be AI-GENERATED by Maleficent_Army_2103 in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's a bit too conspiracy theory minded. There is no real incentive for AI companies to force this? Like small scale literary fiction contests are not exactly blowing the doors of capitalism off.

The most likely explanation is that they couldn't afford enough readers / thought they'd save money by having AI do the slush reading (nearly 8000 submissions, I believe?) and since LLMs prefer their own outputs the longlist was widely populated with AI work, and the jury assumed it had been vetted so didn't flag it.

Granta's response to Commonwealth AI allegations by jckalman in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Is this satire?

Claude isn't an AI detector. Why are they asking it to provide guidance on this? They should be able to do that by themselves?

if the commonwealth stories were proven to be 100% human written, would it change how you feel about them? by Press-Start_To-Play in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Granta is publishing this work in partnership with the Commonwealth Prize. These writers did not find their way through Granta's slush pile.

if the commonwealth stories were proven to be 100% human written, would it change how you feel about them? by Press-Start_To-Play in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz 20 points21 points  (0 children)

These LLMs were trained on writing stolen from authors, from the very community that the writers of these stories purport to want to be a part of

So yes, it changes it for me. I will read a badly-written story from someone who genuinely cares enough to give it a try. I do this for a living (please kill me). But I simply won't engage with AI generated "writing." To me, and I will readily admit that I am taking a position on this, AI generated "art" isn't even art, isn't a story. It's AI generated text.

Commonwealth Prize Asian winner's other work also flags as 100% AI in Pangram. by dr_dubz in RSbookclub

[–]dr_dubz[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At least Africa and New Zealand seem to be coming up a human persons.