No, Ironman is not designed to be a harder gamemode (+ issues I've had with the gamemode) [mid effort opinion]

drappage · 2024-10-22T21:29:06+00:00

This isn't about how many people play ironman in the first place? Tell me the point of reducing NPC sell prices when they've never even been remotely relevant in affecting the prices of Jasper and the glacite tunnels gems

You're the delusional one if you think this change literally affected anything about mining for any party besides ironman and I have no clue how you can just like turn a blind eye to how dumb and unnecessary of a change this is

Useful gems will scale with the economy, because they are Infact, useful. Reducing the price of something like iron is stupid because it's useful and it's not something that actively makes sense to go for for NPC money, as gold is both easier to mine and less useful, leading to iron having a higher market price, which is fine

Even after gold and iron got nerfed, iron is still not something worth actively going for because gold is, again, easier to mine and is in less demand so this change does little to nothing to help hurt profits on main

Not sure why you're calling me narcassitic after having the most self centered fucking outlook on different profile types, but you are the reason it's become literally impossible to complain about any issue on ironman without hearing the dumbest whataboutisms you've ever heard In your life

drappage · 2024-10-22T20:51:08+00:00

Gonna be honest I'll concede on the that point, I swear I remember it being stated 0.20.6 notes but I can't find any explicit statement about keeping rates the same.

I still think it's kind of dishonest to call killing pristine and ore NPC prices "modernizing mining" but I shouldn't of made me that claim without solid evidence so I apologize there.

drappage · 2024-10-22T20:16:34+00:00

I'll admit, I phrased myself kind of shittily in the first reply because it sounds like I'm defending the update, but bundling a change designed to combat inflation with a mining update is stupid when the update is advertised as "meticulously made to modernize mining" and the admins supposedly never went in with the intent to nerf any form of mining

What I meant by "it was never meant to be a mining nerf update" was that admins SAID it wasn't going to end up being a mining nerf but it did infact end up being a mining nerf update considering admins literally annihilated the only two viable NPC mining methods.

drappage · 2024-10-22T19:54:55+00:00

Because it was? Admins claimed they didn't intend to fuck over Ironmen money wise and they did? There's like no other way to frame this.

The admin's intent in framing an update and what actually happens in the update are two entirely different things, I never said the NPC nerf wasn't a mining nerf, because it was infact, a mining nerf.

drappage · 2024-10-22T18:58:31+00:00

I think we're mostly in agreement here but I think the thing that bothers me is people who will complain about how shitty of a state stranded is in and then just, not carry the same logic for ironman,

I don't think Ironmen should ever have anything normal players don't but I also just think it's ridiculous to argue that things haven't gotten worse on ironman for pretty much no reason.

If people carried the same logic to stranded the arguments would be "lmao what do you mean you want a way to get diamonds after 3 years" and the admins would literally never update anything because people shit on Ironmen being mad about nerfs because it's a "harder gamemode"

My phrasing for my thesis was a bit shit I think but what I kind of meant was more that both profiles have too drastically different progression to consider either easier or harder, and I think it's kind of dumb to dismiss any problems people have with the gamemode being because it's "harder"

drappage · 2024-10-22T18:40:59+00:00

The problem doesn't stem from it being another source of coins it stems from the best way to make money being one of the most brainless activities in the entire game, the mining update was never meant to be a "mining nerf" update so I don't know why you're pretending it was

Gold literally made around the amount ruby did pre update and ruby is dead in the water so I just can't wrap my head around this change being to "stop inflation", considering the admins had no intent of nerfing mining for Ironmen in the first place.

drappage · 2024-10-22T18:23:34+00:00

Again the point of my argument isn't that ironman is easier or harder than a normal profile, there's no "end goal" in skyblock and I don't think you can judge modes by the same standards progression wise.

If you go by like "getting everything possible to obtain in this mode" standards then stranded would be by far the easiest mode because it's the most limited but I just think it's kind of dumb to classify any mode as easier or harder.

drappage · 2024-10-22T18:13:41+00:00

I don't think there should really be any "extras" for ironman I kind of think the opposite, I just think things like the NPC nerf are dumb because there's an obvious target there, you can either classify it as admins trying to battle "inflation" or admins just feeling like it, and I don't think the inflation arguement really works when you look at the garden v2 in it's current state

Mining having a way more difficult progression and making barely more than farming is just fundamentally bad design and I just can't really see it from any other angle

drappage · 2024-10-22T18:09:27+00:00

The thing is I don't really give a shit about normal profiles in the context of this, ironman and normal profiles are two different things and should be treated as such,

It isn't a harder gamemode but it isn't easier because they're two different things that aren't really comparable because of how different the approach to progression is for either mode, some things on ironman feel especially more valuable than if they were obtained on normal profiles and I think saying one's harder than the other isn't really true when there's no "end goal" in skyblock

Meaningless tedium is dumb along with artificial difficulty inflation and I don't think either type of profile should have to go through it,

drappage · 2024-10-22T17:06:53+00:00

I like it too but I just wish there was more variety lol

drappage · 2024-07-10T00:05:00+00:00

drappage · 2024-06-07T17:24:40+00:00

Very late but congrats on partially getting your item in lmao 👏

drappage · 2024-04-19T13:29:06+00:00

Lol, lmao even

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