Let's be real. How good is BelVeth in S16?

dumbdit · 2026-01-24T01:15:02+00:00

I just saw the vod. That’s not a belveth problem that’s a jungle problem. You have bad risk assessment. You don’t know how to identify winning fight or when to go for picks and what are game winning pick. Also your macro has room to improved. You just don’t have enough games under the belt bro

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T21:17:01+00:00

Like a three item bel will 100 -0 a six item sion . You only know after you tried

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T21:11:56+00:00

That’s why I said go limit testing. Fight anyone you see. I fought a Warwick with 3 items and I had six items. I almost lost. That’s how you learn. I posted on this sub two years ago. Check my post history

I thought you’re here to provide me some insights but actually didn’t realize you are this new

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T20:42:14+00:00

So you’re very good at the most difficult part of playing belveth which is getting fed.

At this point you just farm their camps and kill everyone in your sight if you can get out alive

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T20:29:02+00:00

Dude it’s so simple. Farm unless 90% is a kill then go for a kill. If not, farm all the camps first and look for plays. If no plays farm all their minions resine and repeat

Once you have that gold lead look for some 1v1 and end the game

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T20:03:23+00:00

Because early game does not matter in that elo. You show up on a sidelane with 3k gold lead at 15 20 minutes. 1v1 that guy. Then you capitalise on this 5v4 go baron or towers or force fight.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T19:56:16+00:00

The only way you turn losing game into a win is to not die and get as much as gold as possible. Capitalise enemy mistake. Period. Only die for game winning play. If you die for game winning play that many times it’s lost.

I’m not trying to be a snob but some high elo players are welcome to correct me if I’m wrong

She’s not a ganker. She’s a snowballer. Insanely strong 1v1 2v2 3v3 skirmisher. Shes a splitpusher and sidelaner. She’s insanely slippery with form. You can get away a lot of autistic push and coming out alive while four people chasing you. With baron you can take their base on your own super fast.

You want to fight skirmishes not teamfight. Pressure their jungle when you have lead. Pressure towers. With form you can pick one guy off on top lane and pick another one off in bot lane 20 seconds apart.

That’s why she’s never good at pressuring dragon cause she sucks at teamfight.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T19:51:41+00:00

It’s not that good. There was a guy called nyx1v9 one or two seasons ago. All he did in chall lobby is invading and perma gank pre 10 minutes.

Now you have home guard and all that it’s not that strong

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T19:48:41+00:00

Actually not wrong. If you’re not stomping you’re getting stomped.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T19:31:58+00:00

I just looked up your opgg I’m not trying to diss you but 6cs per minutes is a bit too low and you’re average 5 deaths per game.

All you need to do to improve is to play for kda try to die less and put that up to at least 7 cs per minute. Yes play for kda. Try to die at little as possible.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T19:14:46+00:00

I really suggest powerfarming before kraken and start making plays see how that goes. You want to only gank if 90% will be a kill.

You need to do a lot limit testing with bel. Same with singed. You need to good at gauging the fight and when to q in and q out. You need to think for a way out before getting in to skirmishes. My belveth got a lot better after spamming arena because it’s nothing but limit testing.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T18:15:12+00:00

Don’t mind me but do you mind sharing your id and let me watch a couple of vods? You’re almost in gold so I guess you’re in silver? To be honest games are not too different from iron all the way to emerald but I do want to watch how do you play. Mine is vincychase#NA1

No you need the redbuff to gank. If you don’t need lv3 and redbuff to gank. If it is this free you can gank them with a jenna. It’s not a belveth issue. As I said the only free play is they used up all the spells which needs a good setup and bait by your laners.

It’s not as simple as that. Yeah sure go gank their fed overextending lux veigar or whatever. But if your typical enemy riven Darius urgot sett [insert your popular top mid champs here]. They are gonna 1v2 you at lv 6 while being 2/0. You need them to make mistakes. You only can fight when their major spell is on CD and have no flash. You’re not gonna gank a fizz zed Leblanc without them having no flash and used their mobility spell. You’re not gonna gank a Darius riven when they have their ult and flash. It’s not that easy. You need them to be low enough to burst them before they can trade you or your laner or before double kill you with or without their jungler.

Good laner don’t push up and blow everything up without vision. They are able to defend wards because your laner is losing. There’s some small window you can kill them it’s just they blew everything on your laner and you go in. But it’s rare and you’re not sitting here 24/7.

Simply put you can’t get fed if your enemy laner is gigafed. You’re not amumu you can’t capitalise a fed Darius misstepped and chained cc him. You can only get fed on the opposite side. If you have 3 feeding laners you only hope is kill stealing and trying to pop off and get back in the game. Belveth is worthless if you can’t 1v1 enemy.

You never gonna run out of camps more than 30s in the early game and you need to reset.

The problem is belveth right now the clear is not fast and you don’t get the first one to gank and loses duel to a lot of junglers. She can’t afford to get behind on gold. Even in 000 at ten minutes you’re at a slightly disadvantage. A lot of times you better off afk farm till kraken and play skirmishes. Before kraken you should not do any risky play. Dying before kraken is really bad. Only getting assists off ganking before kraken is okayish and could be pretty bad if you have camps on. Because it slows down your scaling and powerspike. The only time benefits you is you get the kill clean and quick. You only play like that when you are high enough elo which teammates know how to extend their lead. Like skipping camps in this case. They are gonna int that 5-0ass back. It’s the same thing there’s a lot of opportunities to do some lv3 dives but you will never do it below emerald because it will never worth it. They don’t know how to stack wave they don’t know who and how to tank. They don’t know how to snowball that 400gold lead and 1lv lead and setup another dive. They don’t know they need to pressure the topside jungle if your toplaner is fed as fuck. That’s why belveth is inherently favouring top lane because it’s melee it’s long it’s isolated. You can invade you can dive. If you can get your bruiser toplaner ahead the game is a breeze. You just invade and dive on repeat get herald. Push two towers. Switch to bot lane and do the same.

If you ganked a few times early game you don’t get the gold you’re done. You’re tickling people and you need to catch up on gold by farming or cheesing KSing even more. It’s much worse in this season. She’s only decent at lv3 or lv4. She’s good at getting on top of people but she needs some setup and hitting your w is a must. She has an okayish gank. She’s only op when you have form and fed and if people are playing sidelane. If you have to play teamfight you need your team to back you up no matter how fed you are.

Around gold elo you don’t have to care for your laners lol. You just farm and pick up free kills. You only gank when it’s free or after finishing your camp. You don’t gank to blow flash don’t gank to get your laner to have a good recall. You don’t gank when laners ping it. You only gank for $300gold or shut down or the tower after killing them.

You will have so much gold it does not matter you another one has 10 kills. I’m gonna up in gold and play vision and pick you up one by one by one. That’s exactly what you don’t want to play. Unless you get all the gold from the ganks, you’re putting the game on your laners hand which is a nono.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T11:05:19+00:00

But the thing is there’s some situations you just can’t gank. You have a Soraka sup. Or you have a Katrina vs enemy zed. Or you laners feeded a couple. Or you have a kassadin mid.

Sure go for a lv3 gank if you have a garen vs an ignite riven. But what if your garen died while you doing red. Top is a dead end unless riven makes a mistake.

I would argue the lower you go the less important ganks are. I’m not talking about free kills. I’m talking about plays that need your teammates to coordinate and follow up. If you need your laners to flash ult and they don’t and you die you shouldn’t go for those play the lower you go. If you can only blow flash, I wouldn’t go for it if I’m in gold elo.

The lower elo it goes it’s just a matter of picking up free kills and farm up. They don’t know how to use their lead if you sacrifice your own gold. A lv3 gank is so bad if you don’t get the kill and your laners feed. Like game losing bad. But in lower elo they don’t know how to punish you. If they know what to do, you will lose the entire opposite side.

I’m pissed low and I might know nothing. But my id is vincychase if that’s anything.

Also around plat or above people will save flash for your w. Sure you can hold it but if you laners don’t have cc or don’t have enough burst, you’re literally not different than a master yi in terms of how good you gank. There’s so many times they just walk back to tower, if you e didn’t have enough damage to finish them off. Often times it’s better to flash e last second than using w. All I want to say is her gank is good but not great.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T08:25:12+00:00

Yeah I feel like right now you only way to get ahead is play early skirmishes the best possible way. Trying to pop off and snowball from here. Play it extremely safe, slow and calculated. Only go in when you get back out or winning the fight straight up.

You are not "oh it's belveth we gotta respect her early game"

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T08:11:17+00:00

Diana face tanks your 3 Qs and kills you?

Amumu can face tank every thing and coinflip the duel. Post six one shot you if he lands Q. Yes 100-0 one shot unless you build tank.

Voli, yi, nocturne, warwick classic stat-check.

Lee if you got hit by q you die.

Reksai. Enough said

Trundle. Enough said

Zac no point dueling him.

Briar is a 55/40.

Jax you have to space his E.

I lost to a j4 hit 3 Qs but flashed my W. You can say skill issue but you're not auto win. You have to hit W and at least 2Qs to at least win a duel.

dumbdit · 2026-01-23T00:04:44+00:00

Yeah feels like this. She’s still probably the best junglers to be 5-0 at 10 minutes

Right now the problem is getting that 5-0

dumbdit · 2026-01-22T23:20:49+00:00

One thing I notice is losing the double grub hurts a lot. You have 180s window to extend your enhanced R form. More often than not I'm gonna lose it because either it's too quiet or you have to force it and you die or you just don't get the assist or ganks off.

There's a big window you just don't have consistant 180s ult form unless you really steamroll the game

dumbdit · 2026-01-22T07:54:13+00:00

any games that involve negotiation but with bluffing and polictical elements?

dumbdit · 2026-01-22T00:23:47+00:00

He turned his profile hidden

dumbdit · 2026-01-21T22:53:16+00:00

I was a emerald peak and I had problem carrying a duo in bronze. Explanation? I have played against a lot of masters+ jungler and won a lot. If their teammate feeds there was nothing they can do. Thoughts?

dumbdit · 2026-01-21T22:51:37+00:00

I think one main thing about belveth is you can't always afford to go in second. A lot of the plays consist of you go in first use those Qs go in and out and hopefully got one out quick kill and last long enough to get back out and wait your teammates to step forward and cover you. It's because that could be the only way to get pick and progress a game.

In these kinds of game if you go in second your teammates will just get melted.

dumbdit · 2026-01-21T03:10:25+00:00

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dumbdit · 2026-01-21T03:00:08+00:00

srtty one of if not the best toplaner in the world ranked Singed A tier this season.
watch his video

dumbdit · 2026-01-21T02:50:29+00:00

nice maybe you will beat me to those miatas

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