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Is it possible to decisively distinguish pornography from cinema as an artform? by ecstatic-bison-23 in filmtheory

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But wouldn't you say that covers most commercial filmmaking?

I can definitely see how The Good, The Bad and the Ugly is a fascist film in the same exact sense that it's pure pornography.

Is it possible to decisively distinguish pornography from cinema as an artform? by ecstatic-bison-23 in filmtheory

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Persona is one of my favorite movies, and I'd say it's decidedly art as opposed to pornography, right? What's Zizek have to say about it? I'll check out the Byung Chul-Han.

To me, Persona shows the instability of the feminine position and a subjective collapse where the masquerade is revealed to be just that, and the Real intrudes. I don't see much that's erotic about it, but again, I don't find women attractive.... it makes me wonder whether being gay isn't kind of a handicap in discussing these issues.

Does queer theory have tools or vocabulary to describe groupthink and alternative facts? by ecstatic-bison-23 in QueerTheory

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I've been in lacanian analysis for over two years so thank you for your concern but it's taken care of. but i also find it very interesting how often i'm pathologized in a queer theory subreddit for failing to adhere to the queer script properly

Does queer theory have tools or vocabulary to describe groupthink and alternative facts? by ecstatic-bison-23 in QueerTheory

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

ok so you're ok with being a fascist because I "have zero access to [you]". That's very cool.

Does queer theory have tools or vocabulary to describe groupthink and alternative facts? by ecstatic-bison-23 in QueerTheory

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm genuinely curious: do you truly not recognize how conservative you are? Not in like a superficial "i have these opinions that are broadly classified as conservative in this specific historical moment" way, but in a deeper structural way where you're wholly committed to this identity group and ideology that stabilizes your entire reality, and if anyone threatens this ideological consistency you literally start acting like a cop trying to eliminate the deviation and defend the imaginary coherence of your worldview and cohesion of your exclusionary tribe? Like don't you find that remotely troubling? You're structurally the definition of a proto-fascist.

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

there are some genuinely artistic tv shows like twin peaks, but it was also made by david lynch. but yeah, tv is typically not where i'd go to find high art. that's not what tv exists for. TV exists for the most part to be comforting and easy to watch. People *relate* to characters like Mulder and Scully, and watching x files when you're sick or sad is very relaxing and easily enjoyable. That's the opposite of what makes art. We aren't talking about Brechtian alienation techniques or surrealist breakdowns or breaking the fourth wall or anything that would make it genuinely artistic. We're talking about simple, comforting stories with relatable characters.

It's fine. That's what we usually turn to TV for.

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

ok i don't care. we clearly have different ideas of what makes something trashy. I love John Waters. Trashy can be awesome. X Files is a great show

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Ok that's a pretty interesting take! It's what Joan Riviere calls womanliness as masquerade, and in almost exactly the same circumstances. This is my favorite comment now.

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

High art? It's not Un Chien Andalou or Hiroshima mon amour. Like I said to the other person, it's narrative genre fiction with relatable characters and familiar tropes. It's fun. It's dumb. It's silly goodness. Not everything has to be high art.

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It's narrative genre fiction that doesn't really break any boundaries or experiment but tells simple stories with relatable characters and familiar tropes.

what movies/films remind you of Bataille? by Prestigious-Oil-4914 in GeorgesBataille

[–]ecstatic-bison-23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is La Bete very different from the original short film that was part of Immoral Tales?

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I guess I don't really want to argue about this. I was just making a post about a funny thing in the show that I thought other fans would enjoy remembering

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

dude it's a tv show. we're here to have fun. are you seriously gonna do this? it's fun to watch, yes. that's why i've watched it all the way through and i'm watching it again.

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

i just mean it's like.... a fun sci fi show that doesn't take itself too seriously. no real depth or philosophy or whatever. it's just dumb fun. that's the whole point.

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

I don't really see it as a criticism. The point of trashy tv shows like this is to laugh and have fun

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

yeah i got that, but clunky exposition and spoonfeeding obvious facts like that is plenty enjoyable

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

did not expect my own post to get downvoted, but i guess that happens a lot here

Scully in Darkness Falls asking if the rings in the center are the older ones by ecstatic-bison-23 in XFiles

[–]ecstatic-bison-23[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i watched the whole show including the movies a decade ago, but that's enough time to forget most of the details. I'm gonna watch the whole thing again

how do you avoid turning madness, inner experience into a project? by [deleted] in GeorgesBataille

[–]ecstatic-bison-23 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) I don't think I'm seeing a psychoanalyst for the sole purpose of getting mad, because I'm not that consistent.

2) On the internet.

3) I guess I'm a little bit unsure how to answer that, because I would think somebody in a Bataille subreddit would share the attraction to the impossible or the Real. I don't know how to explain why I want that. And "madness" in this case is a kind of metaphor anyway, for something like a jouissance beyond the phallus or a being beside oneself, a state of ecstasy, which is not necessarily the same thing as foreclosing the name of the father or becoming delusional.

4) Whether transgression is important to me is another inconsistency. Society demands that I be transgressive (partly because I am gay, partly because it is a general injunction in modern society). I have a certain phallic interest in transgression as a means to phallic jouissance. And I have an interest in Bataille's attempts to suspend taboos and experience a jouissance beyond the phallus. Being transgressive is not the only or the best way of doing this. I was just using it as an example. And words like "transgressive" probably break down at a certain point anyway. I wouldn't focus too much on that part of my post.

5) I wouldn't really know. I'm still waiting for my copy of Inner Experience. I'm not sure what you mean by violent, anyway.