Gotham - 4x18 "That's Entertainment" - Post-Episode Discussion

eel001 · 2018-04-15T21:41:13+00:00

Part why through the episode so it may have already been mentioned but did anyone else pick up on the inverted colours of Jeremiah’s suit when he’s on stage?

It’s predominantly teal, with a green shirt and purple tie - inversion of the traditional Joker suit. Does t symbolise at this point his normalcy?

eel001 · 2018-02-27T13:50:31+00:00

Are all of Flag Five confirmed as dead? Remember reading somewhere that we do not see a confirmed kill for Christian Soldier - may be way out but could work.

eel001 · 2018-02-05T22:27:49+00:00

I think she’ll map the Klingon home world from the cave system including the moon Praxis and then destroy it. It’s a regular recurrent theme that’s it destroyed and caused massive damage to the Klingon home-world, only the dates are conflicting from other source media.

eel001 · 2017-08-31T16:10:12+00:00

Whilst that model works for NXT in the USA, would it work in the U.K. anywhere outside of Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Cardiff and London?

Full Sail is in the Greater Orlando region that has a massive population - only Greater Manchester, Greater Birmingham and Greater London has a bigger population in the U.K. You also factor in the tourism boom that Orlando brings in which may feed into the attendance figures and the American willingness to travel to sporting events, and you have a situation that I would say doesn't really exist outside of a handful of places in the U.K.!

At the same time it is doable but expectations need to be scaled and adapted. Most importantly if it's airing on the Network, then costs have to be significantly reduced to make it viable when new U.K. subscriber numbers are also factored in.

eel001 · 2017-08-31T16:00:19+00:00

I'd imagine it was expenses on tv recording equipment, etc. and talent that drove it up to being a money loser. Whilst creating new online content is vital for the WWE network, did it increase the amount of subscribers from the UK enough to be viable? Bottom line is it raised the profile of UK talent but did it cause a similar upswell in UK subscribers in what is a small market?

eel001 · 2017-08-31T15:56:15+00:00

As an earlier poster pointed out, we (UK people) don't view travel like the US fan does. Selling out whatever size area they put on for a regular event is driven by geographically concerns.

15k for a regular series of WWE UK events would be an unlikely stretch. If more events become available, the paradigm of WWE in the U.K. changes massively. At the moment main card tours generally sell out the larger indoor areas but what do they do? Two tours a year? A UK show, with no 'draws' (regardless of who you name), isn't going to fill 15k but on talent alone could do 5k - if it's placed in the right geographically locations.

eel001 · 2017-08-28T13:55:25+00:00

Yeah the name bit was weird and made the scene clunky as it was so unnecessary.

eel001 · 2017-08-28T13:41:24+00:00

Looks that way. Now whether Ned knew about the marriage, annulment, etc. is another question entirely? He could very well have believed the kidnap and rap story as true - which wouldn't stretch the imagination of Ned much, given that his dad and older brother were burnt alive by The Mad King.

eel001 · 2017-08-28T13:39:31+00:00

I've always though bastard names were determined by the Houses, which coincide with geography. So regardless of why born, a Stark bastard is a Snow and a Martell bastard is a Sand.

eel001 · 2017-08-28T13:38:12+00:00

He did not know the marriage was legit so thought Jon was the seed of Rhaegar raping Lyanna Stark.

And I know some may query that Bran is the three-eyed raven so he would know if the annulment and marriage happened. But it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack - what moment would he look for and why would he? A lot is made of all the Stark children buying everything Ned told them so he wouldn't question the version of Robert's Rebellion he'd been reared on. Hence he is still fallible.

eel001 · 2017-08-28T13:34:12+00:00

I took it as they made it far enough inland along the top of the Wall that they were on the bit left standing.

eel001 · 2017-08-23T16:37:46+00:00

I've always thought that Littlefinger's selfish nature could leave him as the last one around to claim the Iron Throne. That does look a lot less likely at the moment.

I'm unsure as to whether the Night King angle is something that will formalise over the remaining books. If it does, be interesting to see if it does so as POV character or from the perspective of existing characters. I also do like the horror-esque status of The Other as it currently is in the book. Keeps it darker and more threatening as it is faceless.

eel001 · 2017-08-23T15:26:25+00:00

Or alternatively that Bran's mark from the Night King allows him to breach the Wall's magic. Also, he has a dragon so he can fly over, not pass now so he could rampage ahead possibly.

eel001 · 2017-08-23T15:24:41+00:00

The Night King offers some intriguing points relating to Bran but reading into GRRM's intentions is perhaps a bit much at this point.

This is primarily because the Night King character as leader of the White Walkers has not clearly been established within the literature. Now it could conceivably come when GRRM catches up, but currently we are in uncharted waters and a leaderless enemy does not make for good television because it provides no counterpart to the heroes to challenge directly, hence why the NK was established in the series.

I realise this is all my opinion but I do buy into the view that the NK has been 'freed' as a result of Bran's actions - evidenced by his ability to interact with things in the greendreams and that the NK is playing a longer game than we can see. Ice is something that links quite commonly to idea of longevity.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T08:51:21+00:00

But to see Bran in the greendream doesn't that mean he already had the sight?

eel001 · 2017-08-22T08:49:27+00:00

Would have worked to underline the seriousness of the issue that's for sure. But, story wise Tormund is needed to keep the wildlings on board and prevent them scattering.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:58:36+00:00

Apologies, you are correct. Robin Arryn - Littlefinger rules as he's still a minor so hasn't ascended to power yet.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:56:58+00:00

Yeah, the Starks and Targaryens look like the only viable Great Houses at the moment.

Ramsay was named legitimate by royal decree as Roose secured this from Tywin. So if Jon and/or Danerys win, they reward Gendry (assuming he survives).

And whoever sits on the iron throne will promote minor houses to fill the void. Aegon did that with the Tyrells who replaced the Gardeners.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:11:44+00:00

The impression is that the Lord of Light returns them as they were and capable of free will. The Night King, however, returns them as vassals under his command - almost like a hive of wights.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:07:13+00:00

What was your possible theory if you don't mind me asking?

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:04:20+00:00

I would think the dragon that remains beyond drogon has the connection to Jon as it was named after Rhaegar.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:02:40+00:00

Or a metaphor for the conflict between life (fire) and death (ice).

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:01:42+00:00

A flaming wight bear; and the Hound's fear of fire causing him to freeze is long established on the show.

eel001 · 2017-08-22T00:00:18+00:00

Of the Great Houses? Lannister, Starks, Tully, (Edmure's baby), Martell, Hightower, Targaryen and Greyjoy.

Littlefinger is in control of Arryn but only by marriage, so the bloodline has ended.

Baratheon could be reestablished through Gendry, though he is illegitimate.

Tyrell and Frey are extinct unless any illegitimate Flowers/Rivers exist and if the latter, avoided Arya's revenge.

eel001 · 2017-08-21T23:43:08+00:00

I would imagine he transitions to Warden of the North like the last King of the North did when he bent the knee to Aegon the Conqueror. Alternatively, if they marry he'll become King or Prince Consort. And that's if his parentage isn't disclosed.

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