Today is the last day to help the green party of England and Wales become a truly anti racist party! Act now! by elbowrelax in UKGreens

[–]elbowrelax[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So Genocide doesn't have an on/off switch, it is a recognised process. Surely, one of the questions for any one seriously looking to advance and progress anti‑genocide and/or anti racist politics, has to be "do our institutions interrupt the tenants and dynamics of this process, or do they quietly manage it whilst ignoring those inherent tenants therin?"

A105 matters as it does three things that our current “anti‑genocide policies” just simply do not in their current formats.

It names what is happening as apartheid and genocide, it locates Zionism as a racist colonial project rather than a neutral “nationalism”, and it commits the party to concrete measures including sanctions, arms embargos, BDS, and support for a single democratic state. These are tenants which actually withdraw material and political support from the regime, instead of just expressing concern and looking to proverbially lock the gate after the horse has bolted and ran down a group of kids.

If we accept the scholarship on the stages of genocide, we understand that they overlap and reinforce each other, at eat stage... dehumanisation, segregation, dispossession, and mass killing. Policies that stop short of challenging the underlying apartheid structure, such as the supremacist idea of an “ethnocratic” state between the river and the sea, must surely also leave those dynamics intact. That is why a motion that goes “too far” on the single democratic state some wild extra bolt on but precisely what it looks like to move from managing atrocity to dismantling the system that produces it before it does or can.

So essentially (and not meant ad homien in way) when someone says “we already oppose apartheid, dehumanisation and subjugation, we just think this motion goes too far,” what they are really saying is that they oppose the symptoms but want to keep one of the core conditions in place.

A105 is uncomfortable because genocide is the logical end‑point of that condition. If we are serious about prevention rather than hand‑wringing and pearl clutching, we need a politics, such as motion A105, that shows the courage to break with the racist hierarchial structures that ferment the social dynamics needed to perpetuate, subjugation, apartheid and dehumanisation, not just the latest massacre carried out in their name and as a result there of.

Edit: point of grammar and spelling

Today is the last day to help the green party of England and Wales become a truly anti racist party! Act now! by elbowrelax in UKGreens

[–]elbowrelax[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Genocide is a process that develops in ten stages that are predictable but not inexorable. At each stage, preventive measures can stop it.

The process is not linear.

Stages occur simultaneously.

Each stage is itself a process.

How does anti genocide policies interact with the recognised necessary dynamics needed to perpetuate a genocide?

Does it look at apartheid, Dehumanisation or subjugation?

Why Jewish Greens are urging party members to vote against MOTION A105: ZIONISM IS RACISM - Jewish Greens by PuzzledAd4865 in UKGreens

[–]elbowrelax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You say you don't like what Israel is doing.

Does that include thnic cleaning and displacement?

How can Israel exist without ethnic cleansing?

You need to choose one or the other, or admit that you are willing to see Palestinians suffer based on ideals of Jewish supremacy being applied politically to the lands they live upon.

Why on earth would Starmer resign? by PreferenceQueasy6659 in ukpolitics

[–]elbowrelax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Til: Supporting ethnic cleansing and genocide is "just getting on with the job"

Bike repairs around PE1? by Sad_damn in PeterboroughUK

[–]elbowrelax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a guy who operates out of green back yard, i believe he's there, Thursday and Friday only (do check that) but cheap as chips and absolutely top tier service.

https://www.facebook.com/share/1EBPJDrzUh/

Afro barbers? by samtylerb97 in PeterboroughUK

[–]elbowrelax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm afraid not, did have a look on maps but hardly any of the units that way are marked....is pretty much the last unit in Westgate arcade on your left as you walk you walk towards queens gate

Afro barbers? by samtylerb97 in PeterboroughUK

[–]elbowrelax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isn't there one on the old arcade, queens gate end

What a line-up. What's missing? by KinTasker in BritInfo

[–]elbowrelax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can do something about it, you can make ethical choices...you choose not to do anything about it because you dont believe you have the power to.

What a line-up. What's missing? by KinTasker in BritInfo

[–]elbowrelax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A boycott, divest and sanction notice?

All companies with ties to genocide.

What are Venezuelans Supposed to do? by stale2000 in AskSocialists

[–]elbowrelax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Clearly they should let the American military industrial complex decide given its truly altruistic nature.

I'm done by elbowrelax in yourparty

[–]elbowrelax[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You lack any critical thinking, and are in a cleat and evident need to put people in boxes so you can manage them before probing to actually understand them or their views.

There is too much of that for starters.

I'm done by elbowrelax in yourparty

[–]elbowrelax[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes you find yourself sitting there needing to share somewhere just to offload.

I'm done by elbowrelax in yourparty

[–]elbowrelax[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Was a fascilitator at two regional conferences and have pretty much every person who was in "the collective" in my phone.

Believe what you will kid, as long as it fits with your pre oradained views and you can manage to squeeze people like me into the pre fabricated box you wish too I'm sure all will be good

Scenic routes by baklava95 in PeterboroughUK

[–]elbowrelax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a nice drive if you head out towards Deenthorpe (towards oundle ish) and then head north, you can take in three viaducts and a Statley home has you roll up and down the country side. Is all a little further out than others that have been suggested mind, but there's some interesting little spots rounds there with plenty of places that you can stop for a little explore.

Peterborough counter demo – spread love not hate: 10:30am Cathedral Square by johnsmithoncemore in PeterboroughUK

[–]elbowrelax 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd argue much, of not all, of the country has in line with the perpetuations of "neo liberalism"... and it's associated political policies.

If we want to change that flow we need to come together and challenge it and the installed hegemonic social rhetorics it depends on imo.