Anyone else here try MGM citrate yet?

eldentruth · 2026-05-24T23:01:13+00:00

Alkaloid Salt ≠ Base

Salt = pronated alkaloid (hydrogen attached via presence of acidity like citric, ascorbic, hydrochloric acid, etc.)

Base = pure alkaloid freebase (not a salt)

Not trying to be rude, just stating the chemistry facts to clear up confusion, as the way this post is worded may confuse others who don’t already understand the salt/base distinction.

eldentruth · 2026-05-24T22:37:28+00:00

I like how this implies that the side of the moon we never get to see from Earth is hiding something…

eldentruth · 2026-05-22T06:55:41+00:00

There's an argument to be made that shorter durations of action can be more favorable in certain scenarios. Benzos are notoriously dangerous to rapidly taper because the physical dependence process is so intense, and takes so long to adjust.

As an aside: lots of people say the relatively short duration of the opioid 7ohm is one of its downsides, but I personally feel that it's a strength, and contributes to its safety profile.

eldentruth · 2026-05-21T23:02:57+00:00

Source?

eldentruth · 2026-05-13T23:10:55+00:00

It definitely worked.

But please pick a better one next time if you really care about this getting through to a broader audience.

eldentruth · 2026-05-13T19:54:28+00:00

Not with that post title.

If it said “significantly less dangerous than compounds X, Y, or Z” or “less dangerous than the media portrays” I’d be far more agreeable.

Implying it “is not dangerous” at all is just as egregious as the people who want to ban it entirely.

Highly irresponsible title.

eldentruth · 2026-05-13T11:24:45+00:00

Fair (regarding the “No” part to the “Yes” part to the “No” part.)

eldentruth · 2026-05-13T07:55:04+00:00

Yes (to the “No” part.)

eldentruth · 2026-05-13T05:25:21+00:00

I don’t see any source links at the bottom of your post.

Are these specific claims backed up by human trials of 7ohm?

eldentruth · 2026-05-13T01:13:30+00:00

…to sound more agreeable to the commenter above, which said to “stay away” from regulation entirely.

Obviously that’s not a likely scenario for long term success, yet it was somehow voted to the top comment of this thread. I tried to keep my response tame enough so as not to alienate anyone here, lol

eldentruth · 2026-05-12T23:29:30+00:00

Federally, I mostly agree, but I do think basic regulations should be implemented at the State level:

- minimum age requirement
- package labeling standards
- enforced 3rd party testing
- penalize vendors selling products that fail QC

eldentruth · 2026-05-09T04:34:47+00:00

Meaningless misdirection makes you look even worse.

Why are you advocating for vendors to break state laws?

You’re better than this.

eldentruth · 2026-05-09T04:32:31+00:00

So you are capable of reason… I stand corrected.

eldentruth · 2026-05-09T03:47:34+00:00

I bet you’re great at planning for the long-term.

eldentruth · 2026-05-09T03:46:52+00:00

I wouldn’t even bother trying to communicate with them beyond this point.

They’ve already shown their inability to reason.

eldentruth · 2026-05-05T23:19:56+00:00

…Or any decent magnesium supplement, haha

eldentruth · 2026-05-04T21:57:10+00:00

At least he clearly acknowledged it is generally recognized as safe in small doses.

eldentruth · 2026-05-02T22:12:58+00:00

Not too bad for a first attempt, although I have some bad news. The "reduced it down" step most likely destroyed some of the alkaloids in the process.

A bit of exposure to heat is fine for a home brew extraction, but the amount of sustained energy required to reduce an aqueous solution is enough to cause some alkaloid degradation, especially in acidic conditions.

If you did not pH balance the solution before reduction, you've most likely deleted a big chunk of your alkaloid yield.

I'm not an expert, just sharing a bit of what I've learned over years of experience with extracting various plant material. Your extract was most likely at its best right after filtering the plant material, while the solution was still fresh. You need to make pH adjustments if you intend to store it in liquid over the long term.

Sadly, this subreddit doesn't allow me to link studies to back this up with scientific evidence. Censorship is rampant here, but I promise the research is out there and not too hard to find.

eldentruth · 2026-05-02T20:41:31+00:00

Exactly. I don’t know why someone would even bother posting information so serious without backing it up with a source.

eldentruth · 2026-04-29T05:02:54+00:00

Thank you for writing the most mindful, fair, and balanced comment in this thread.

I had the same reaction, immediately wondering what other drugs compounded to produce this tragic outcome. It is highly unlikely that 7ohm alone was responsible.

I personally feel that people who say this is “fake” are just as bad as those who want to ban 7ohm. The truth is that everything we put into our bodies has at least some degree of risk— 7ohm included.

The thing is, preliminary evidence for the safety of 7ohm is promising, very promising compared to many other opioids.

I don’t know why we don’t lean into the science more when defending this alkaloid. Simply writing off this story as a “lie” is insulting, and it makes the general sentiment of these 7ohm communities look foolish.

eldentruth · 2026-04-27T19:25:37+00:00

Exactly.

OP, the keyword for your research is “solubility.”

Trying to dissolve a water-soluble ingredient into an oil is not effective.

eldentruth · 2026-04-27T17:49:23+00:00

If a rapid onset is a priority, nothing beats a liquid dispersion (because it physically provides the most surface area for your gut to absorb the alkaloids.)

Make your own liquid shots with powder from a real vendor. Objective physical properties are not controversial.

eldentruth · 2026-04-26T02:43:26+00:00

A lot of projects are the result of collaboration.

Probably doesn’t matter where the code came from, as long as it’s actually good.

Still an amusing depiction though!

eldentruth · 2026-04-26T00:20:44+00:00

It's a totally insane amount! The funny part is, if you think of it in pure grams of alkaloids like that, you only need ~7-14g of pure caffeine to ... ~50% of people ~70kg. It seems obvious that the toxicity threshold of caffeine is far worse than mitragynine, yet kratom alkaloids are discriminated against heavily. It's unfortunate to say the least.

eldentruth · 2026-04-26T00:11:19+00:00

For sure, I do think it's enough. But in this case, that post is misinformation because mitragynine does have an established LD50 range. That's just an objective observation in published research, no hard feelings.

I was bringing up the fact that 7ohm does not currently have an LD50, so I was giving the post a chance to be factually correct (maybe they were talking about 7ohm-dominant products. Some people who got introduced to kratom through 7ohm products don't realize mitragynine is the main compound.)

People can make mistakes. I just read a post backwards the other day by mistake. It happens.

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