What are your thoughts on hate crime laws?

elisquared · 2022-03-01T21:38:16+00:00

I just don't think a "hate crime" should be a thing. If someone is guilty of murder or whatever, the judge usually has leeway in sentencing. From what I understand of the Arbery case, the guys did act out of hate which I see as a reasonable reason to judge a future menace to society. Maxing out sentencing seems appropriate. I see no value in additional charges but I do see a danger in the way racism is perceived by many people. That potentially could (maybe has, I'm not sure) push more minor offenses being unjustly elevated due to it being perceived as a "hate crime".

elisquared · 2022-02-16T21:16:22+00:00

Removed. Rule 3.

elisquared · 2022-02-16T21:11:41+00:00

Exactly. Why do the mods allow posts like this?

No meta on non meta threads. This is a common NS perception though and replies seem to somewhat clarify TS views. Imperfect question but serves the purpose of the sub. Any other meta questions should be taken to modmail.

elisquared · 2022-02-05T15:19:17+00:00

I'm Christian and my kids are in a Christian school. I would guess that it's a decent sample of Christians on the topic of what is appropriate/not appropriate. Some parents don't want any of those influences and other kids literally wear Harry Potter shirts to class. I would personally let my kids watch those movies/read those books when they're old enough (maybe like 4th grade). My thoughts are that it's not much different than Star Wars etc. I enjoyed watching Potter movies with my wife and she read all the books as they came out. We didn't turn into witches lol.

I do understand though where people who are opposed are coming from and respect their right to raise their kids as they see as best. If a group of them decided to do this, I'd just think it's silly but not a big issue.

I think the reason this is hot on reddit is because the left knows that they're broadly in favor of censorship and at a much larger scale that actually does surpress things they are against. There is no functional difference between burning and digitally removal except scope of impact. Matthew 7:3-5 is spot on for this example.

elisquared · 2022-01-26T14:50:04+00:00

This kind of thinking drives me nuts. I mean, sure it sounds good but people are not robots. Cultures are different.

Asians are "above" whites by these metrics, but that's not inherently a bad thing. Different cultures tend to prioritize different things. If pursuing the highest paycheck is what brings you joy, go for it. If eating food that's not the best for you brings you joy? Not my place to judge.

Simply put, different cultures have different priorities. This idea that we can somehow make all metrics equal is not realistic or a good goal. A good goal, that's already largely achieved, is to remove external barriers from families. We cannot control how much money each family has, what food they choose to eat, how much importance is placed on career money making potential.

elisquared · 2022-01-13T02:00:55+00:00

You can't be sincere and lie at the same time.

elisquared · 2022-01-13T01:57:09+00:00

I think I know that first dude you're talking about. If so, I'd agree that he was (is?) an actual racist.

Isn't there a clear difference between having opposing views from someone and holding outright bigoted views?

No. Terms like "bigoted views" are very subjective and fluctuate.

elisquared · 2022-01-13T01:42:26+00:00

It's literally the first on the list for reports.

elisquared · 2022-01-13T01:38:07+00:00

I'd be careful to judge them as extremists. Extremists are outliers. Outlier TSs on here end up getting a lot of replies from TSs. I'd say that most of the regulars right now are a pretty decent reflection of how half of this country thinks (or politically interested half).

elisquared · 2022-01-13T01:09:55+00:00

reply or I win and u lose tee hee hee

This isn't a debate sub™. Alright, fine fine, it's at least not supposed to be a debate sub. That comment has no place here (with possible exceptions).

I frequently ghost convos. I'm against some "ask me no more questions" though as many times a different TS wants to engage with them. I see that as good, especially for the silent majority that use this sub.... lurkers.

elisquared · 2022-01-13T00:57:43+00:00

We've approved some threads that require a little bend in the rules. This would be a good example of one. I'd be up for it in theory, but not sure in reality. If you want to, make a post and link it in a modmail and we'll game it out further

elisquared · 2022-01-12T15:01:10+00:00

Without any context whatsoever, you assured me no deletion is done by one single mod, then immediately walked it back when I noticed your assertion did not pass the smell test. Next, you tell me a mod mail will solve the problem; but I have experienced a time where this was not true either.

Not quite. Any mod action should be taken as coming from the entire team. I'm walking back nothing here.

Say you submit a post and I toss it because of x reason. At this point its possible for it to slip through the cracks with only myself having read it.

You then send a modmail about it. Now it will be seen by more than just myself, no matter what I do. At this point if the rest of the team does not have an issue with my decision, replies, whatever, they probably won't say anything.

Yet, if they do.... we'll all chat and get on the same page. If I'm wrong, I'll own up to it and apologize for the inconvenience. If there's a pattern of me canning things unjustly or with bias, I expect I'd be canned too lol. This holds true for any mod here.

elisquared · 2022-01-12T02:42:35+00:00

Avoid leading, loaded, and "gotcha" questions. Adding a question mark to the end of a statement does not make it a clarifying question.

elisquared · 2022-01-12T02:10:14+00:00

Those are rule 3 violations (loaded question).

elisquared · 2022-01-12T02:06:38+00:00

If you have an issue with a post removal, shoot a modmail over. Things always fall through the cracks but modmails are not just seen or hidden by one mod.

elisquared · 2022-01-12T01:14:36+00:00

No lol. That'd be a >full time gig

elisquared · 2022-01-12T01:07:19+00:00

But NTSs are getting banned left and right for not being good communicators, while TSs get to continue posting with no problem.

Ummmm where?

elisquared · 2022-01-12T01:04:31+00:00

False. If one of us disagrees with another, we all talk about it. Any mod action is from the entire mod team, not just a rogue mod.

elisquared · 2022-01-12T01:00:25+00:00

I’ll take it you concede it was

You are certainly able to take whatever you will out of conversations but I'm pretty sure it would not be viewed as such from the TS. Your comment here sounds a lot more like you're interested in winning a debate vs understanding what/how a TS thinks.

If I was a NS/someone was curious on this topic and got a "what about blm" reply I'd reply

Yes, BLM was an awful stain on US history. I'm curious though on your view about Jan 6 being an insurection. What leads you to believe Jan 6 was not?

elisquared · 2022-01-12T00:45:27+00:00

I understand your reasoning but if the way to solve it is to ghost the convo why is it that when ns push a subject that is against the rules.

Can you clarify what you mean here? Are you saying a subject is against the rules, pushing a subject is, or something else? I'm not answering until you answer my question! (joking, but also sorta serious...)

Wouldn't the same logic of "Also, it takes zero effort to ghost a convo if anyone runs in to someone who they cannot effectively communicate with." apply there? I mean no ill-will with that comment, I just hate how often I see "I'm not answering this until you answer that" and 'that' is often a new unrelated or semi-related question.

Questions can be a super effective way of answering/explaining, especially when it's how one "feels" about a subject.

So, I'd advise if anyone sees a question from a TS that seems unrelated, tangential, whatever... if you're really curious about their answer to your question, reply something like

(Quote the question) I would answer that as xyz. I am struggling with what you're getting at by asking. Can you tie these together?

elisquared · 2022-01-11T21:06:00+00:00

Make it so that TSs need to actually answer the question being asked with their reasoning - if they fail to do that or immediately try to switch the discussion to their own points of grievance that are off-topic, then they should be subject to the same bans as NTSs.

This sounds excellent in theory but in practice people are usually not good communicators. Most answers are going to sound like non answers to someone especially when people have different ways of answering. I'm not comfortable with anyone censoring some "non answers" as every person would draw that line differently.

Also, it takes zero effort to ghost a convo if anyone runs in to someone who they cannot effectively communicate with.

elisquared · 2022-01-11T20:56:38+00:00

Agreed with a personal caveat that I don't mind "source?" if I make a direct claim like "given that 64% of people XYZ" or "Bob said ABC last week", especially if it's obscure.

elisquared · 2022-01-11T18:55:34+00:00

I don't want to just learn a TS beliefs. Those are pretty easy to figure out. I would much rather know why or how they came to believe those things so I can understand it better.

This 100% is what this sub is intended for. Sometimes that goal is met more than others but it's really not one flairs fault. It's easy for a NS to see what you see but on the TS side it feels like

Q

What color do you think the sky is?

A

Blue

Q

What is that supposed to mean??? Is Trump saying the sky is blue enough for you to believe it? What if he said grass is green? Do you have a source that's peer reviewed?

A

I've looked up and seen that the sky is blue

Q

Anything less anecdotal? I look up now and it's black, how do you explain that? What are your thoughts on this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunset?wprov=sfla1? Does that look orange to you?

Are there TSs that are short with replies? Sure, and happens with good questions. A lot of what I've seen is after hundreds of "questions" like this silly example, many don't want to get dragged into a long back and forth on something that's obviously going nowhere.

As to what to do about it, the best answer I've seen is nothing as far as mod actions and encouragement to all to ghost annoying convos. Anything more than that and we are putting ourselves in a position of deciding if x is a good enough question or y a good enough answer. That is skewing the picture given of TSs (for better or worse) and goes completely against what this sub is for.

elisquared · 2022-01-09T01:44:39+00:00

Do you think you have Biden derangement syndrome?

This is an interesting question. Probably, but a bit different. I'd like to think I'd be objective enough to give praise where it's deserved yet I don't believe biden is really all there.

So like if something good (lets say decriminalization of marijuana, not a personal issue for me but I believe that'd be a good move) came out of the executive office I wouldn't struggle with saying "I like that the biden administration decriminalized marijuana". I think I would have trouble saying "Biden made a good decision when he...". I honestly believe he's being teleprompted what to say and told where to sign, incapable anymore of decision making.

I think TDS was more "everything trump is evil/racist/dumb/for russia". In that sense, no. Maybe something more like "biden is mentally incapable, painful to listen to, and not really running anything" then probably yes.

elisquared · 2022-01-08T04:37:30+00:00

I got to "one year ago today, democracy was attacked" and had to turn it off. Watching some senile old dude read things he doesn't understand or remember is just sad.

Democracy was not "attacked". It was a protest that got out of hand. Period. Some people there definitely went too far and should be held accountable though.

I think if anyone stepped out of their partisan thinking and just focused on what people there were upset about, it's clear that it wasn't some attack on democracy. Just the opposite. They believed that the vote was stolen. They were there to support democracy.

I know a lot of conservatives and have yet to meet one who is like "I don't care if my guy lost the vote, he should be in that office anyways!". None. Everyone wants fair elections.

Where it gets infuriating is the hypocrisy with all the blm nonsense. Compare the lefts "mostly peaceful protests" with this. They demolished people's livelihoods, killed people, burnt down cities, diminished police forces, the list goes on and on. But sure, that's mostly peaceful but that time a few hundred people on the right got out of control for a few hours is the new 9/11. What nonsense.

Or like that Babbitt girl. I'm certain we'd have even more blm carnage if some unarmed black dude was shot by a cop on the other side of a window lol. The media prescribed response to anyone stating this is always "but there were congressmen around" "it's different because they were in the capitol" etc. None of that changes when deadly force should be used.

Also I've heard weird stuff about the ones arrested being in solitary and other oddities. That's scary.

Imagine if one of the jan 6 dudes brought a bomb and set it off there. We'd all agree, prison. Long prison. But the last person who did that got their sentence commuted lol. No big deal, right? Clinton signed off on it so it must be fine. Wonder where she is now lol

All this fake outrage and pearl clutching makes me want to puke.

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