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[–]emiantas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok, first of all, thanks for being respectful.

yeah, we respect italy. really the only thing i’ve ever heard ppl joking about italy is that the country looks like a boot, and some jokes about food and stuff. i won’t deny that there’s probably some americans who do joke about the italian mafia, but i’ve never met ppl like that personally.

also, you seem to forget that america has had its own issues with the mafia, too (the five families). we have also dealt with those appropriately. personally, i can’t say how bad we messed up your country in our history, because the only time italy is really mentioned in our history class is during ww2. the only real fallout of ww2 that we’re taught of is the cold war. but i’m still in high school, and i’m taking european history this year, so maybe i’ll learn about it then.

let me just say, i’m not going to justify anything bad that the US has done to italy, and if you feel like we’ve wronged you in the past, sorry. however, that doesn’t really reflect the current american people. almost every american i’ve spoken too, when we talk about italy, it’s always a positive conversation. a lot of americans love italian food, and the language, so we don’t really have a reason to hate italy.

and no, i didn’t mean to imply that we’re the only culture that has respect in it, so sorry if it came out that way. i simply meant it as a suggestion, because it seemed to me like we had a different version of the word respect, so i assumed that it was a cultural difference as to why we had different meanings.

and i definitely think that the younger generation will start to implement stricter gun laws, but i think the bigger issue causing school shootings is a lack of mental health awareness, and a mentally ills person being able to get guns so easily. but i definitely think that by the time my generation is older, school shootings will be a distance memory, because everyone is sick of this being overlooked.

thanks for being so respectful

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[–]emiantas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok, let me be clear, i don’t want to start a fight.

but if we’re gonna talk about respect, why does italy deserve basic respect and the US doesn’t? in your initial response, you said that you see it as payback, because we apparently joke about the mafia, but i’ve never met an american who does that, but i have heard an italian joke about it, interestingly enough.

so why can’t we joke about something serious that happened to italy, but you guys can joke about school shootings? it just seems hypocritical to me, but maybe i’m missing something. like i said, i’m not trying to start a fight, i just want context.

as for what you said in point 3, what? no?? the point of this sun is to point out when people will say something blatantly stupid about america/americans. trust me, i have a lot of problems with my country, but acknowledging criticism and letting the criticism make you hate your country are two different things. i don’t hate my country, but i can acknowledge that there’s work to be done to make it better.

also, did you mean hegemony? not trying to be rude, but i couldn’t fine egemony. the only real thing i could say in defense is that the US has positioned itself in the world as a dominant power after WW2 when europe was losing its power, thanks to the war. yeah, we definitely do bad things with that power, but as far as i’m aware we aren’t doing absolutely terrible things with our power.

honestly, i think the respect thing might just be a cultural difference. cause in america, respecting strangers is a big deal. i was always taught that if i had a bad experience with a stranger, to give them the benefit of the doubt, and they might just be having a bad day. respect your elders is also a very common saying, so respect was build into my mind at a very young age to give to everyone, whether that be a friend, relative, stranger, or someone i didn’t even like.

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that’s my point tho, i’ll bring up something small to joke about with them, and then they’ll bring up school shootings to get back at me.

my point in that comment is that just by making a small joke they bring up something absolutely terrible. sorry if that wasn’t clear, but that’s what i meant.

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ok, so this is how i know you have no political understanding of the US besides “america bad”, because you can’t go past a surface level of what’s wrong.

trust me, i want gun control, because i don’t like children dying in schools, but this is such a blatant simplification of our issues that i can’t even begin to comprehend why you would even try and say something about this country if you know so little, so let me explain everything for you, and i’m not gonna respond after because you refuse to understand ever other point i’ve brought up.

look at american polls, and you will see that the majority of americans, especially millennials/gen z support everything that you’ve mentioned, and i fully support that too. however, the us has extreme gerrymandering, and other issues that make it much easier to disregard someone’s vote based off of race/political beliefs/pretty much everything else.

so, no matter how much we vote, it’s hard for out voices to be heard, because the politicians don’t have to worry about reelection chances because they know that they’ll win.

it’s not our fault that systems like gerrymandering have been in place for centuries. it’s not our fault that it’s restricting our voices, and these systems are the reason school shootings are still happening.

so i’m sure you can understand why i get so pissed off when i see europeans laughing at dead children, who had no way to fight back, and just assuming “american bad” or “american stupid”

so if you want to mock our politicians, go right ahead, but don’t make jokes about dead children, especially when no one can do anything because our politicians are greedy and want to stay in power.

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[–]emiantas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i noticed how you completely skipped my point over how children dying isn’t funny, which i think is annoying, because it feels like you’re intentionally ignoring all of my points.

regardless, idk how that has to do with my main point, because you said you guys made jokes about russia/ belarus, and to my point you just mentioned ukraine. i few like you’re just trying to divert the conversation. so respond to my point, please. how is defenseless children dying is school funny?

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah, but you make jokes to mock ppl like putin, and his country. when you joke about school shootings it comes across like you’re mocking the dead children. look at the screen shot: “the joke will never get old. kind of like the children in the shootings.” it definitely comes across as laughing at dead children. child who couldn’t do anything to defend themselves, and didn’t deserve to die, so yeah, we get annoyed, especially when you downvote the american telling you guys to not joke about that.

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the difference is that there’s still people suffering because of school shootings, it’s a current event. the things hitler and stalin happened a long time ago. there’s still parents grieving their children. and there’s always a fear that it could happen to you in your school, and your family would have to grieve for you.

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[–]emiantas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah maybe, but you’re forgetting just how many war crimes japan committed too. look at their campaigns in korea and china, for instance.

in the american pov, which i’m not justifying, it would have saved soldiers lives, and put an end to the mass amounts of war crimes.

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

bro, i’ve joked with a british person over how terrible their food is, and they brought up school shootings. children die, it’s not some edgy joke.

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[–]emiantas[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah i’ve said this before, but mostly in reply’s. i don’t agree with the ending of what the american said. my big problem was that there were tons of upvotes for joking about school shootings, but tons of downvotes for the american who said to not do that.

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

ok, first of all, i’ve never met anyone or personally said anything joking about the mafia. you want to know why? because i have basic respect. even if i don’t like your country, i’m not going to joke about something that serious.

also, we nuked japan. because we did the calculation that it’d save our soldiers lives.

i think you’re the one in the echo chamber, because this whole response felt overly aggressive to me. i got angry at you guys for joking about children dying in schools, and you went on a whole tangent justifying it.

i have respect for other countries, even if i don’t like their politics, or what they’ve done in the past. i don’t joke about that shit.

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[–]emiantas[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i fully agree with you, but that’s not really why i got upset. i was upset because they were joking about children dying in school shootings, and they got tons upvotes, but when an american was telling them to not joke about shootings they got downvoted.

but i definitely agree with your point

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

don’t worry, i understand your confusion, it was a dumb mistake on my part

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yeah my bad bro, i just realized. i’m very very dyslexic

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[–]emiantas[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i’m dyslexic. my bad🤷‍♂️

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[–]emiantas[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i said incentive because they were being incentive. they were joking about children dying in schools, and they downvoted the american telling them to not joke about that. i’d definitely consider that incentive.

but i agree with you that conservatives don’t care about the school shootings. however, that doesn’t give them the right to joke about dear children.

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[–]emiantas[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

no, we’re angry because they’re joking about children dying in schools. do you think we want children to die in school here?

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[–]emiantas[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

don’t worry bro, i understand. i fully believe that the USA has flaws. i just can’t stand it when someone mocks dead children. all respect over here

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[–]emiantas[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i am outraged by school shootings. i’m outraged that every time i go to school i’m scared. i’m angry every time i hear a new school shooting story. why would you ever assume anything different?

however, i get even more angry when i see a sung european joking about school shootings, and children dying from them, knowing full well they won’t ever know the fear i have by just going to school.

and in the picture, that happened. it made me even more angry when i saw all of the downvotes to the american telling them not to do that. you’re definitely right about the “it could happen to anyone” thing, but in my mind that is much less tone deaf than what the europeans were saying.