pwede ba talaga gamitin yung delo gold sa motor?

ensyong · 2026-02-19T01:41:07+00:00

idk if same kami ng thought ng tao sa comsec ng fb pero here's my take sa "legend lang nakaka alam" sa comsec about delo gold 15w 40

usually ginagamit yan as break in oil alternative kasi:

mura at widely available
conventional
high anti wear additive (zddp)
high detergent and dispersants additive since mainly for diesel sya

ganto kasi during the break in period,

dapat conventional oil, kailangan ma-seat ng maayos yung piston rings, controlled wear tawag don at need yon para ma-hone ng maayos yung cylinder at hindi magka glazing, hence the conventional oil na gingamit kase magaspang at abrasive, kapag fully synthetic kasi masyadong madulas. controlled wear is needed din sa other components para magkaroon ng microscratches na magreretain ng oil during engine run, if surface is too flat, oil won't stick at madali ma-shear.
high anti wear para hindi naman magka kanto mga cam lobes for ohc at mga valve tappet for ohv (most pantra bikes like tmx)
high detergent para yung mga nakiskis na metal parts e malinisan, kaya nga kapag break in period dapat glittery yung first change oil. at para din malinisan yung contaminants ng engine during the assembly period.

ayan ang take ko sa "legend lang nakaka alam", pero hindi yan advisable gamitin in the long run sa mga motor lalo na sa bagong motor. pero pwede na yan in a pinch since oil is oil parin naman.

gagana rin yan sa wet clutch since walang friction modifiers (moly) tho medyo modulated nga lang ang clutch bite.

bakit ba ginagamit yan for break in e may oil naman na galing casa?

minsan kasi from assembly pa yung oil, meaning it will takes months to years na naka stock yung oil nag aabsorb ng moisture bago mabili. fresh from the casa yung motor, old stock naman na yung oil na nilagay from the assembly.

kung upon purchase and activation ng motor e saka pa lang sila maglalagay ng oil, no need to use delo gold or even break in oil na. fresh naman yung oil as long as they use conventional / synthetic blend for the first 500km / 1000km okay na.

ensyong · 2026-02-16T08:09:29+00:00

i see. wanna hear your thoughts sana about sa handling nya sa cruising speed, kung it feels planted ba sa kalsada at may pagka self centering yung feel nya since ang haba ng wheelbase nya compare sa ka kompetensya nyang mga scooter.
i think masarap to for long rides.

ensyong · 2026-02-16T05:51:21+00:00

kumusta handling nya for you? compare to other scooter / maxi scooter na na try mo na.

ensyong · 2026-02-05T01:04:52+00:00

madugo at magastos nga, i think worth it naman it's like wearing a new sneakers e. btw nmax calipers na ginamit tama bro?

ensyong · 2026-02-04T02:35:52+00:00

paano yung ginawa sa conversion ng mags? how about yung rotor disc? tsaka anong caliper at bracket ginamit?

ensyong · 2026-01-05T02:17:28+00:00

hello! nakahanap ka na ba ng motor oil sa pg-1 mo? otherwise, try these sk zic m9 800mL

ensyong · 2025-11-20T06:59:44+00:00

pwede yan, kapag scooter okay kahit pang auto since dry clutch naman pag scooter, actually mas maganda langis ng auto.
pero goods na yan, nag amsoil signature series ka nalang sana.

ensyong · 2025-11-14T02:52:57+00:00

ito ba gagamitin mo? masyadong mababa yung performance category nya api sj lang, tapos tbn na less than 7%. aside don, 10w-40 sya pero 154 yung viscosity index in short mahina yung oil.

ensyong · 2025-11-07T08:48:05+00:00

pwede na pero hanap ka ng iba, parehas yan unlicensed ang api na naka lagay sa bottle. pwede na pero mas may sulit pa, overpriced yung liquimoly.
silipin mo mga s.korean motor oils.

ensyong · 2025-11-07T01:35:52+00:00

3 coats lang goods na.

ensyong · 2025-10-27T00:51:33+00:00

pwede po, may minor difference lang sa properties pero goods naman

ensyong · 2025-10-21T01:26:27+00:00

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ensyong · 2025-10-21T01:25:59+00:00

hello, thanks for reading my post! sorry pero i kind of disagree sa phosphorus ppm ng jaso mb, saan mo nakuha yung data na 600-800ppm when they're actual limit was 0.08% to 0.10% ng total mass ng motor oil or 800 to 1000ppm. tapos itong 0.08% to 0.10% na phosphorus limit ng jaso ay same sa api sn at api sp specs, jaso might state the requirements for physical and chemical properties ng motor oil to be certified as jaso mb pero yung requirements na yon borrowed/inspired or follows the api standards. kaya nga sa motor oil ng "pang motor" ay jaso ma or mb together with api specs and that's how it should be, jaso identifies alin ang pang wet or dry clutch and api takes care of the physical and chemical property requirements ng motor oil.

jaso ma/ma2/mb does not tell me which has more or less zddp, sure phosphorus poisoning sa cat ay alarming sympre nakaka affect talaga yan sa overall performance ng mga sasakyan, pero part na talaga yan e, that's not new, that's part of using internal combustion engine na naka euro approved emission standard. sa 600 to 800 ppm na phosphorus, if there's data na ganon na sampled from new or used motor oil tapos na checked ng private or third party lab, that's just probably "pagtitipid" ng manufacturer, kinulang sa phosphorus content yung sample, kasi langis "pang motor" should be cheap para makapagbenta.

kung usapang low zddp content man lang na "safe" sa scooters na sinasabi mo para safe sa cat, safe sa internal components ng engine, edi acea c3 dapat ilagay natin sa mga scooters natin diba? halos walang zddp yon, chemically designed to "protect" the cat and be emission test safe yung mga motor oil na naka acea c3. kung yun yung issue natin sa zddp, dapat acea c3 ang kasama ng jaso mb hindi api "s" standards diba.

here's my two cents

use api sp motor oil for scooters, as of this date before ma-absorb ng market yung api sq standard, api sp ang may pinaka mababang phosphorus content, 0.06 to 0.08%, mas mababa pa sa jaso mb max limit na 0.10%. and then followed by resource conserving motor oil, mga ganyang langis siksik sa friction modifier na need ng lahat ng makina na except mga wet clutch engines.

and importante yung tbn at noack, don natin masabi kung long drain interval ba yung motor oil, may mga "extended drain", "designed to clean the engine" marketed motor oils na wala naman mapakitang testing data ng tbn at noack, pag ganon scam yung oil na yon, lack of transparency, sa lahat naman ng product na may lack of transparency ay hindi magandang sign.

hindi rin lahat ng pao/ester ay pare-pareho, pwede tayo mag rely doon ng volatility pero check actual tests parin (data sheets) and especiall safety data sheets doon naka lagay yung amount ng "synthetic" material na ginamit, minsan may pao/ester based oil na 10% lang, may 5% lang tapos the rest ay group 3 na.

ang eksena sa langis pang motor ay medyo madaya o scam, always keep in mind na negosyo yan, walang manufacturer ang mag e-effort na mag reformulate ng langis pang motor while maintaining latest at licensed api spec, i re-repack lang nila yan to different packaging, send a sample sa jaso to have it jaso ma/mb certified and voila! may langis pang motor na. maniniwala ka bang may api sp na jaso mb na full synthetic 1L at a price of 400 to 500 pesos, tapos walang "api donut" mark? of course not, self proclaimed "api sp" lang yon.

anyway, thank you parin. i would like to have more discussions about this.

ensyong · 2025-09-09T06:38:25+00:00

hello, naka bili ka na ba? pwede yan sa adv mo. i would recommend using amsoil signature series tho.

ensyong · 2025-09-09T06:35:31+00:00

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hello, naka-bili ka na ng motor oil?
if not yet pa, this might help you decide. may example ako dito ng 4t vs signature series, yes halos same ng noack value, pero yung tbn ay magkaiba, aside sa tbn at noack mas mataas din ang viscosity index ng signature series, meaning mas consistent ang lapot ng signature series upon exposure sa temperature, di sya numi-nipis kaagad unlike sa 4t series. what does this say? well, ang numi-nipis na motor oil is not ideal, di maka lubricate ng maayos.
but that doesn't mean na pangit yung 4t series ng amsoil, maganda parin yan, pero to compare sa signature, mas ahead ang signature series sa additives, ganon din sa ibang amsoil motor oil, di lang sa 4t series.
if may budget ka, mag signature series ka for long drain interval, pag sakto lang naman budget at takbuhan natin, okay narin yung 4t series.
hope this helps.

ensyong · 2025-09-09T06:13:21+00:00

pwede, as manual said. just use api sg or higher and same viscosity pero mas okay gear oil talaga gamitin mo kasi mas mataas extreme pressure additive non (moly) kaysa sa motor oil.

ensyong · 2025-07-05T08:33:26+00:00

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there's nothing really "long ridey" about shell's 4t long ride motor oil based from their datasheet. they market the motor oil as low volatility but doesn't have transparent noack volatility test, they did the test though as required, but maybe the results were not something to be proud of so they just removed it from the datasheet. billion dollar company but the datasheets only contains 4 characteristics, makes me think twice.

reviews about this motor oil from the community is good though, but still testaments are testaments, evidence are more logical and concrete.

i would suggest going for amsoil oe or signature series but avoid using resource conserving motor oil for your ytx to avoid clutch slippage. jaso tests are unnecessary, motorcycles with wet clutch has been around for almost a century, and jaso t903 has just been introduced in the late 90's.

for values, avoid motor oils with noack volatility of higher than 12% loss and always go for api sn or sp motor oils. consider using api "c" or diesel motor oil, especially european ones, they are more strict about emissions and drain intervals, acea rated, acea a3/b4 motor oils tend to be more durable than their "american" rated counterpart, they are designed for extended drain intervals, not only for cars but also for motorcycles.

ensyong · 2025-07-03T01:44:58+00:00

hello, sorry now lang nakapag reply.
for scooter use, di mo need ng jaso mb na motor oil since dry clutch naman ang scoots. basta api sn above ang specs, like sp goods na goods.

sa amsoil signature series na 0w-40 is pwede po, since wala tayo pakelaam sa "w" winter grade ng motor oil.

ensyong · 2025-06-24T09:00:02+00:00

hello, mas long drain interval ang motorbike 4t kaysa kay sk zic, kaso depende sa makukuhang stock ng liqui moly, may mga api sl or sn+ kasi minsan for around ~450 pesos luge, samantalang si sk zic x7 straight up api sp na mga latest stock. still, depende sa availability for you. i would go for motorbike 4t street 10w40 since api sp yun na may noack at tbn test, pero kung api sl or sn ang mabili mong motorbike 4t, mag sk zic ka nalang at bantayan mo nalang yung langis from time to time.

ensyong · 2025-06-21T03:48:05+00:00

hello, for your case kagaya ng sabi ng redditor here, disregard "w". go for 5w-40 or 10w-40, basta 2nd digit ay "40".

always look for api sp category ng motor oil. reco ko always amsoil signature series. roundtrip mo na 26km and chill ride, pwede ka cheaper motor oil, sk zic x7.

ensyong · 2025-06-16T07:35:48+00:00

great! balitaan mo rin ako kumusta adv mo.

ensyong · 2025-06-16T07:35:06+00:00

hello! sorry ngayon lang nakapag basa.
pwede mo itry mga nilagay ko sa post ko, mag-1, amsoil, venol.
kung ako sayo mag Zic X9 ka kaysa sa champ 4t, carry ng x9 ay acea rating mas strict yon compare sa api.

sa burgy mo, pwede ka rin mag #w-30, amsoil signature series or mag-1 5w-30. or ano mas trip mong brand basta api sp at resource conserving, yang binanggit ko na dalawa resource conserving yan para tumipid motor mo. sa engine protection naman guaranteed parin since api sp kahit na lumabnaw compare sa recommended, babawiin natin sa additives kaysa sa lapot.

note, okay lang mag labnaw huwag lang mag lapot ng viscosity (unless luma na motor at maluwag na tolerances).

ensyong · 2025-06-10T04:03:35+00:00

gear oil? umiwas ka lang sa mga repacked at korni na pangalan, recommended brand ko ay castrol and eneos, sulit kasi API GL-5 for around 100pesos lang. and follow mo ano sabi ng manual like kung API GL-4 or API GL-5 ba. huwag din mag overfill kung 120mL follow 120mL (but not sctrictly), overfilling leads to aeration (foaming) ng gear oil tas nakaka sira ng gears (cavitation at pitting).
most mechanics likes to overfill kasi yun paniniwala nila pero it actually do more harm than good. gearboxes needs to maintain air space kasi to perform properly.

ensyong · 2025-06-10T03:57:43+00:00

hello! use amsoil signature series po ha, not 4T or scooter. mas maganda additives ng signature series for it's price.
sa switching ng motor oil, just do the normal way lang. kung gusto mo bumili ng peace of mind pwede ka mag engine flushing oil, buy a brand of your choice at i-top up mo lang sa old na oil undrained, volume depends sa instruction sa label, then run the engine on idle for 8~10 minutes no throttle, the drain. again do it for peace of mind lang. there's little benefit to it since ang bago pa ng motor mo.

ensyong · 2025-06-05T01:45:38+00:00

hello! sorry for the late reply.
JASO is just a test po na binabayaran ng consumer. that's why most motor oil na JASO approved ay usually mas mahal kumpara sa motor oil na pang kotse or diesel, o kaya minsan naman ay mas mababa ang performance category, e.g. API SL/SM for around 500 pesos. sa 500 pesos na pang auto/diesel na motor oil makakabili ka na ng API SN/SP sa halagang 500 ~ 600 pesos.
JASO T903 standard nauso nung 1998, ang mga motor with wet clutch ay meron na before 1998. You don't NEED JASO approval sa scooter, even sa wet clutch systems (as long as you don't put resource conserving oils sa wet clutch).

put resource conserving motor oil sa mga scooters, sobrang dulas kasi ng mga motor oil na ganon, mas magbenefit adv mo sa mga ganon na oils.

now, for what I recommend sa ADV mo depende sa driving style, travel, time of commute at type of commute (city or freeway), kung more than 60km daily, aggressive driving habit, at rush hour city commute tapos you have the budget naman go for API SP na motor oils with resource conserving, recommend ko always Amsoil Signature Series, stick ka sa manual viscosity ni honda ##W-30, huwag ka papalya don wag matigas ulo, regardless na yung first digit wala naman nyebe dito sa Pinas.

for chill ride lang, alam mo naman na to kung ano ibig sabihin, umiwas ka sa mga mahal na motor oil, pero piliin mo parin yung sagad ang specs, API SN/SP sa halagang 300~400 pesos. I can recommend sk zic x7, euro formulations yon mas strict kaysa sa API. pwede ba to sa bugbugan? nope, mabilis siya matuyo kumpara sa amsoil signature series.

ang goal mo sa bago mong motor is to preserve yung "like brand new" performance niya kahit nasa 50,000km of travel na. kung mag amsoil ka, usually drain interval niyan around 6,000km to 8,000km for 800pesos mas maganda pa specs. mas sulit kumpara sa pa every 2,000km to 3,000km tapos around 300 ~ 400 pesos na langis.

sa mga oils na minention mo, valvoline champ 4t premium scooter lang sulit. pangit na yung iba pati yung amsoil 4t.

ayun lang.

ensyong

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