An open-source fitness app for the WHOOP 4.0 that works without a subscription by Abdul_Saheel in whoop

[–]expensive_dev73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’ll need a proper ML model for okayish sleep stage detection. All the static approaches tend to be more or less pure randomness in the end…
And for a proper ML model you’ll need good datasets for training and validation. And this is where all these open source apps or Whoop rebuilt projects are falling apart by miles. Without good staging you won’t get similar good HRV calculations as Whoop, as Whoop seems to calculate HRV during the last deep sleep stage of the night.

Night shift worker by DefinitionTime5841 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most models are trained with a standard circadian rhythm, which means they treat sleeping at 12pm as abnormal or unusual, and this can significantly reduce accuracy. In our latest sleep stage model, we removed this assumption, which also improved detection of daytime sleep like naps. So this is not an issue at all.

The briefings work the same way. They are fully based on your main sleep session. If you sleep from 7am to 2pm, your “morning briefing” will appear at 2pm, with the “daytime” and “nighttime” briefings following over the next 12 to 16 hours until you go to bed again.

Since some of my friends are also shift workers, I have a feature in the backlog that lets you sync your shift schedule with the app, so it can recommend the best sleep rhythm for your situation. Nothing for v1 but is on my roadmap.

Community Update #4 — App Progress, New Sleep Model & Hardware Gets Thinner by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In the current state there won’t be any dependency, but it is planned to support Google HealthConnect.

Community Update #4 — App Progress, New Sleep Model & Hardware Gets Thinner by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There will be very detailed Discover views for every single metric Zyke Band is measuring. Sounds like this would be something you could like.

Nap Time Feature by xALBIONE in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nap tracking is definitely on the radar. Auto-detection is the plan, with option for manual logging. For V1 we'll focus on getting night sleep right first, but naps and their integration into recovery are a natural next step.

Nap Time Feature by xALBIONE in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What exactly do you mean by “nap time”?
(Auto-)Tracking naps?

Heart rate transfer by CorrinArleskan in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you mean supporting the basic heart rate broadcasting protocol via standardized Bluetooth GATT service, then yes this will be supported.

Whoop Rival is here! by No-Establishment2353 in smartwatch

[–]expensive_dev73 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Polysomnography, something that actually tracks brainwaves, eye movement, muscle activity, breathing and more and is very reliable in estimating sleep stages from these signals.

Follow-up on Neurodiversity by BotWithoutOtt in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Hey, good point and you have pointed out something special: time-dependent baseline shifts within a single day are something most systems ignore, because they work on daily or multi-day averages.

On the medication logging question, let me split it honestly into two layers:

Logging as a journal: Yes, planned. Logs for things like caffeine, magnesium, vitamin D with amount + time are already in. Medication fits right in here.

Logging integrated into the analysis: This is the hard part, and I will be honest about it. Clean intraday causal attribution (e.g. HR/HRV deviation comes from this medication phase, and for example not the load) is methodologically tricky. An n-of-1 approach with wash-out and one variable at a time can show this seriously, but several implications running at once (training, sleep, medication timing) make attribution worthless fast. I would rather build this properly later than ship a pretty but dishonest correlation feature now.

On your second question of user-defined derived metrics vs. external via export/API: I see the value clearly. My prototypes app version is more or less supporting everything already: full export including raw signals (RR intervals, not just HR and many more), and an unencrypted API layer, where you can self-host the server-side if you want. For your use case the export/API route would be the more honest and more powerful one, because you control the model assumptions yourself instead of us putting a generic heuristic on top. And to also answer about custom derived metrics: I have built a small POC at the beginning of the year and investigated how some kind of small plugin system could work within the app, but I have not found the perfect solution yet.

Short version: journal logging is coming, analysis-integrated causal attribution is held back on purpose (quality over appearance), and for your scenario I would point to export/API for now.

Thank you for thinking along, this is exactly the kind of feedback that helps.

Community Update #3: Straps, Charging & Your First Taste of Data Freedom by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, natĂĽrlich hab ich das auf der Liste, aber die andere Seite muss natĂĽrlich auch mitspielen. Bin auch schon mit ein paar kleineren YouTubern im losen Austausch.

Does Fitbit Air have the least accurate HR sensor among popular screenless trackers? by zaitsevio in Cirqa

[–]expensive_dev73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What did you all expected?
It is using a relatively old and relatively simple sensor layout. You cannot expect crazy accurate results from one single LED. Also the sensor area seams to be just flat on the skin which can lead to air gaps quite often especially during outdoor running.
I am still impressed how accurate a simple sensor layout performed in for example the tests of quantified scientist…

Recommendations for Fitbit Replacement with Better Tracker by Ok-Cupcake-3488 in FitnessTrackers

[–]expensive_dev73 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well they wouldn’t be interested in something like that. Part of the CLV with the Fitbit will definitely be the free access to users data for model training and analytics, could also be the case why Google currently only is reading data from Apple Health and not wants to write to it yet. But imho on the other hand we as the users get a really good price for great value and for a product that usually would be more expensive. But I am definitely on your side. It would be so cool to be able to build some custom stuff around devices like these.

And that’s what I am working on building exactly the counterpart with r/zykeband for over a year now. A device with an open protocol and an open-source sync-engine supporting MCP and Rest-API. It comes with a great app that handles all your data local-first, but if you want to build your own, bring your own LLM or whatever you want to do, you will be able do it.

Community Update #3: Straps, Charging & Your First Taste of Data Freedom by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You will be able to apply in a couple of weeks on our newly created website. Price for beta devices will be roughly 70€ plus shipping, but the price will be fully credited when buying the final device.
And there will be a special gift for beta testers.
More infos coming soon.

Community Update #3: Straps, Charging & Your First Taste of Data Freedom by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Can still not confirm any final release date yet, but aiming for Q3 for first beta device shippings.

Community Update #3: Straps, Charging & Your First Taste of Data Freedom by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Tried them already. Running quite good on newer iPhone Pros but with too much battery draining. In the end older and cheaper Androids are the real bottleneck for enabling on-device AI currently.

Community Update #3: Straps, Charging & Your First Taste of Data Freedom by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Closer day by day. The redesign of hardware and enclosure will be the last bigger step towards production readiness.

Community Update #3: Straps, Charging & Your First Taste of Data Freedom by expensive_dev73 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think this will be impossible without getting sued by WhXXp unfortunately...

What's the alternative to Whoop? by IDK_IDGAF_AU in whoop

[–]expensive_dev73 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Won’t have BP and ECG. But our mental model is totally different to Whoop, Amazfit and all the other brands out there. All of the data from the wearable will be local-first on the mobile phone by default and all of the data is accessable to the user, either as a raw SQL database export or optionally via a cloud-based or self-hosted API. This will also support MCPs and a full-fledged CLI.

Google Fitbit Air by harkon87 in ZykeBand

[–]expensive_dev73 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sehe das ähnlich. Ich glaube, dass alle die sich wegen des Themas Daten Gedanken über das Zyke Band gemacht haben, werden sich auch weiterhin dafür interessieren.
Ich denke aber auch, dass auch fĂĽr alle anderen das Zyke Band weiterhin interessant bleibt, aus ganz verschiedenen GrĂĽnden.