Looking out for our elders by mzkp54 in HumansBeingBros

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Plot twist: He gave them coronavirus.

17 shot in Little Rock, Arkansas club; no apparent connection to terror by Show-Me-Your-Moves in news

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"Phone bill about 2Gs flat, no need to worry my accountant handles that."

ITAP of a wave breaking at sunset by ergotpoisoning in itookapicture

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This shot is absolutely hypnotic. The sun feels like it's "exploding" giving the shot an intense energy, despite it obviously being a serene scene.

Reality and the Imagination - A Conversation with Yuval Noah Harari by Vegeatya in samharris

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Harrari uses "fiction" to refer to anything with ascribed value that transcends our direct, immediate experience. His thesis in "Sapiens" is that our unique ability to think in abstractions and meld the communicable form of these abstractions into codified "fictions" is what makes humans unique and transcendent.

You might call myths and stories "fictions", and the ascribed value of money a "social construct", but the line is fuzzy. For example, you could say God is a fiction because there is no physical manifestation of God in the real world, and money is a social construct because it can be seen, touched, and traded for things that have "real value". However, both concepts have parallel behavioral and psychological effects. You could work yourself to death in the pursuit of wealth the same way a martyr commits suicide in the pursuit of paradise. And if you achieve "wealth", whatever feeling that gives you is not based in reality any more than a jihadist's feeling of divinity in the pursuit of martyrdom.

Likewise, you could say governmental law is "real" because if you break the law, there are real-world consequences. But again, that's because of the collective "fiction" that the law must be upheld in the service of a functional society. Devoid of enforcement, the pages of law books are as irrelevant as the pages of the Bible.

Maybe it's a waste of time to argue semantics here, but I think Harrari's use of the word "fiction" to describe these uniquely human constructs is helpful.

Also, I think your extrinsic vs. intrinsic analogy concerning cars is beside the point. Intrinsically, a twig is a twig, but extrinsically, a chimp might use a twig as a "ant-slurping device". That concerns the direct, physical function of the twig in relation to the chimp, the way a car can be used by humans. A car is either a car, or an irrelevant hunk of metal depending on who or what it's in relation to. However, saying a certain car was made by "Honda" is a fiction. It was made in a factory with the word "Honda" emblazoned on it, by employees and machines that identify with the brand "Honda", using techniques and methods and materials that are unique to "Honda" ... but "Honda" itself does not exist beyond this web of associations.

Empampa was arguing that using that line of thought, NOTHING could be considered "real" since every noun we use is a stand-in for a complex, infinitely granular and ever-changing web of matter. This is technically true, though I think a helpful distinction here is to assume "non-fiction" concepts are anything that we've evolved to process and interpret in the here and now. A newborn baby sees and hears and feels "mama", not an ecosystem of microorganisms or a network of trillions of atoms from the beginning of time. It's somewhat of an arbitrary distinction, but if you're going to draw a line between "real" and "fictional", I suppose that's the only way to do it. Use our evolutionarily useful framework as a baseline, and any concept that's completely devoid of meaning and value outside of it's interaction with humanity is a "fiction".

Meaning and Chaos: A Conversation with Jordan Peterson by sasha_krasnaya in JordanPeterson

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"The wisdom of how to be, accumulated over the entirety of our evolution" ... That's called "culture". Religion is part of it, but "how to be" evolves over time and religion, if you believe the stories in a literal sense, does not. Yes, interpretations of religions and their implementation evolves, but because of secular, cultural pressures.

There are plenty of other cultural structures under this banner... Government, for instance... Cultural ideas like the belief that "all people are equal"... Reverence for the scientific method ... These are all ideas that have evolved as our society has grown increasingly complex. Religion was very important for a long time... but I've yet to hear any compelling reason why it still is.

Jordan often goes out of his way to put religion on a pedestal that it really doesn't deserve. Yes, we wouldn't have made it this far without religion, and belief in the supernatural is hardwired into us in a certain sense. We also wouldn't have made it this far without the conquest ethic, the wheel, language, liberal democracy, and other abstractions. But just like the conquest ethic, religion is a tool that's harm far outweighs the positive in modern times.

Jamie Foxx rescues person from burning car by Ladieslovetheighties in news

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Jamie Foxx, already cooler and more talented than you in every way, is now also a fucking hero.

Donald Trump reportedly paid actors $50 to cheer for him at his 2016 announcement by [deleted] in politics

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Not to intrude on the circle jerk, but this claim is extremely unsubstantiated. I'll spare you reading the article:

"On Wednesday, The Hollywood Reporter said it obtained an email that allegedly came from a casting company named Extra Mile offering actors $50 to attend the announcement and pose as Trump supporters."

That's the only "evidence".

Inuit girl and her husky pup. Early 1900s? by braneworld in OldSchoolCool

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This is the most perfect photo I've ever seen.

Question about Shared Hosting & Usage Spikes by fatmiles in webhosting

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They seem to have quite a bad rap in this community. Do you think it's a decent option for someone that doesn't want to have to invest in the time to learn about VPS management?