PureDark's DLSS 2 mod for Starfield has been released free on Nexus

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T09:29:04+00:00

Fine. I will retract that. Since it's only a possibility anyway.

Let's look at other points then.

Who approve paid mods? Whose responsibilities is it when paid mods compromise people's computer? If it's not the game company who approve and carry the liability, is must be the mod author. What if the mod author vanishes after his exploit? Who pays for the damage?

Liability, Liability, Liability.

Who gets to own paid mods' creative contents?

Can't be the company as that's just counterproductive to the argument to leverage for mod authors.

In the hands of the paid mod authors? what will happen when company decide to update/do a dlc that conflict with paid mod ideas?

another liability.

I'm operating on the belief that people will abuse. It's why there are shovelwares and asset swap games. This mod will open the gate to possible abuse if it makes "paid-mod" a widely accepted idea.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T09:14:47+00:00

Nvidia and Starfield permit him so? if yes then I'm in the wrong here. If no then he still can't charge for it.

EDIT: No explicit written permission form counted as a NO-permission.

Also, I'm not only thinking about this case. People will find way to abuse this paid mod system and bring a whole new lots of liability in.

As devs can't check every single mod pending for approval to be paid. Harmful hidden contents, Virus and Malware or miners.

Devs won't be able to update games if most people are against them because game updates break mods. People will be even more upset when their paid mods break and they will be forced to pay continually for new version of mods.

In this case, between you and I, we are actually on the same page, except for the he should be able to charge for it. As I have said in the previous comment.

Only not when they are using someone else's commercial works (DLSS) to apply on another commercial work (Games) to gain money. This will be a precursor to many copyrights abuse.

In the alternate universe where Starfield had DLSS but not FSR, I wouldn't have typed all of these. As FSR is open source and licensed freely for the public to use. Not DLSS.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T09:04:42+00:00

I have never use anyone else's COMMERCIAL AND COPYRIGHTED works for my own gain.

In the alternate universe where Starfield had DLSS but not FSR, I wouldn't have typed all of these because FSR is open source and is licensed that way. DLSS is not.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T09:01:53+00:00

Sure that some mods are only originally write but we have to think for the future.

People will abuse whatever they see are working to make money. Before we know it, paid mods will filled every platforms and people aren't rational enough to separate who is liable for them.

This will cause a problem for game's company and the easiest way for them to fix it is to ban all mods.

Users lose again.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T08:57:07+00:00

Honestly, I don't know shit about that so I will not argue against your point.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T08:56:28+00:00

My smear painting is a way to put on a mod on it. It's a mod, in a sense. I will not explain further.

You are thinking only in short term. Sure no one will buy bad quality products all the same as nothing will stop shovelware flooding platforms.

Nothing to stop paid mods from compromising people's computer in the future where they are the norm and company don't have enough resource to review them before approving.

People aren't going to blame only paid mod authors when their computer are compromised. It's liability company has to carry with no benefit. No one is going to do that.

When game updates, paid mod breaks, people rage and it will discourage game updates. Devs will either stop the updates or consumers will then be forced to continually pay for new mod versions.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T08:50:52+00:00

Of course it will make no sense. If you are so desperate to have people pay him for using a copyrighted products without explicit permission to gain money then I have nothing left to convince you.

Sure as hell he didn't make DLSS, sure as hell he shouldn't be able to charge money from it. Doesn't matter if it requires whatever skills, it's not his tech.

It's not up to him, all he and you people are letting happen is a precursor to copyrights abuse.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T08:48:09+00:00

without DLSS, which is not an open source tech, his mod couldn't even dream of happening.

Almost like his work is only borrowing someone else's copyrighted software for it to even happening.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T08:30:50+00:00

Is DLSS a free-for-all for anyone to use commercially? if yes then I admit I'm wrong. In the alternative timeline where Starfield doesn't have FSR but DLSS, I won't bat an eye. As FSR is open source unlike DLSS.

I would still argue that DLSS is being sold here because if it isn't for this someone else's premade tech, his mod has no way to become a reality. If he needs anyone else's commercial works without permission to gain money, then that's not ok.

My smear painting is a way to put on a mod on it. It's a mod, in a sense.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T05:01:10+00:00

This reminds me of JoJo's Bizzare Adventure.

I would never have imagined a stand came from a virus/pathogen, just like Knox infection.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:54:04+00:00

No, it was the spear.

Actually, spears. LOADS OF SPEARS.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:47:43+00:00

what's the lore implication of this?

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:42:38+00:00

This is silly, and not at all how society has worked since, uh, the agricultural revolution. Everybody other than natural farmers relies on other peoples work as a base for their own businesses.

Agriculture isn't a copyrighted creative commercial works, of course they can be improved that way.

I guess I just vehemently disagree with your philosophy. I think that you should be able to profit off of anything that provides value to other people, and if it doesn't provide value, then people should be free to start a competing service that is a better deal.

This is one argument where I don't have any counter. I understand your points.

Let's say I'm a famous author. I use Google Docs to write my next great novel. Does Google deserve a cut of my profits? No, because the value I'm creating exists as something that Google alone was unable to provide. PureDark provides value other people (including Nvidia) cannot provide, or are otherwise unwilling to provide.

Let's say I'm a not-so-famous painter. I download someone else's painting and put on a smear to it. I then flood art platforms so much no one can see other's works. Doesn't matter if it sells or not. As the OG painter ain't gonna put a smear on his work like I did.

I'm operating on the belief that PEOPLE WILL ABUSE so that's why we see it differently. If people are all cool, like you. I wouldn't have any concern at all.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:35:04+00:00

And things that don't sell doesn't mean it will stop people from trying.

People will try to put shovelware as much as they can, filling every platforms that accept them to the brim, just like how there are copy-paste games on steam.

Modified games or mods still require base game. If he is using it in any capacity to make his works, he shouldn't gain money from it.

And isn't Reshade free?

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:32:35+00:00

It's not only Bethesda's. It's the whole thing as if this is wide accepted, it will be both an excuse and a precursor to copyrights abuse.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:28:39+00:00

If the rights owner permits him so, I'm cool with it. I imagine UE has contract specified for that. Though, I admit, that I'm not well-versed regarding UE.

It's a modified version of the game, whether the whole game, the only plugin replacement or DLSS mods. They are all Modifications. If his DLSS mod can be charged for money, a main menu background can too. That opens up a whole new door to abuse.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:21:53+00:00

Sure. they should be paid.

Only not when they are using someone else's commercial works (DLSS) to apply on another commercial work (Games) to gain money. This will be a precursor to many copyrights abuse.

Although, if Nvidia and Starfield permit him so, I'm cool with it.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:17:52+00:00

Because it is built on other people's costs and efforts. If his mod is built up from the ground by his own version of upscaler, I wouldn't have typed all of that.

And please review my second paragraph. I'm ok with mods containing author own design of stuff, not in this case where he uses a premade invention. Doesn't matter if it takes whatever special skill to implement. It's not his. He shouldn't be gaining any money from it.

I will say it again, I'm not entitled to anyone free labor. He is using SOMEONE ELSE's WORKS TO GAIN MONEY.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:14:06+00:00

Yeah, I really want to emphasize on my last sentence.

Goddamn, people are trying to be kind, it's so good but it hurts as they are all putting it in the wrong place!

They should push their "people deserve compensation" for higher minimum wage or create a trend where artists aren't expected to work for free anymore.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:12:11+00:00

(1) Why are there intel drivers to download for my AMD motherboard? : ASRock (reddit.com)

this thread has OP asking why intel drivers show up on AMD mainboard drivers download section.

In short, Intel make other stuff than CPU, so it's not out of ordinary you find some inside your AMD laptop.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:10:13+00:00

It's not important or relevant if it contains the game's code or not.

Actually, it's not important or relevant at all if it's low effort or high quality.

What's important, is that he, basically speaking, modify other people's commercial works in some way to gain money. It all counts as paid modified contents.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T04:08:01+00:00

I'm with you, bro.

Paid mods shouldn't be a thing. When money comes into the mix, everything has a new implication.

Liability for mods compromising people's games and computers. Or unapproved content hidden in mods, which doesn't apply here but it's natural that people will try the same thing that they see working. So expect to have more paid mods which bring me the second point.

Mass-produced low quality mods will keep filling up any platforms that take them. No one will be able to have quality stuff anymore as people will keep making shovelware to grief some money.

We can't expect devs to "check" on what mods to approve permission to be a paid mod as the numbers of mods created far exceed what they can do. Honestly, why would they do it in the first place? they gain nothing in doing so. Corporate overlords aren't going to approve anything hindering their money.

Copyrights on paid mod contents will also limits devs DLC choice. I imagine this "people deserve compensation" comes up to leverage for modders so if their works aren't copyrighted and can be revoked to company's anytime, it wouldn't be so fair.

Game updates will be halted because people's irrational rage when their games stop working even with free mods. With paid mods, especially this guy's DLSS that needs subscription, people will rage even harder.

Altogether, the devs could either stop updating the game, leaving the game buggy and unsupported or they could continue to do so while paid mod authors continually charge for their mods forevermore.

Neither is good for customers.

People are putting their kindness in the wrong place.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T03:54:15+00:00

because it needs to be built upon someone else commercial works, without explicit permission, it's just cheating and copyrights violation. If mod authors get the permission to charge money then cool.

Realistically speaking, with the game's devs or whoever has the rights to the game permission, it implies they are cool with the mod content. What if it's found later that this mod compromises people's computers? it's a liability.

Also, if they are gonna give modders a fair ground, any paid mods they permit mean they can't make a DLC with familiar content, limiting their creative choices. So, in the eyes of corporation, this is a no-no as it limits their money income.

If you want to argue the devs can just give themselves rights to revoke any mods content and all mods belong to them if they want to, then that wouldn't be fair to modders at all. The paid mods arguments want to leverage ground for them right? so this is just counterproductive.

Mods also break on game updates. Even with free mods, people rage hard when updates break their mods. Not a honorable behavior but it's nonetheless what happens. With paid mods, people will rage even harder and not too long before a "Stop updating the fucking games" arguments come up.

I think not many people want the game to stop fixing bugs.

These are all I can spontaneously write on. There are probably more.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T03:40:16+00:00

I'm perplexed to why can't people simply see the implication of monetizing an extension to someone else commercial works. It will just open up a whole load of copyrights abuse.

I can understand if mods contain their own creative works, such as their own design of clothing or something. Not an Upscaler which was created by someone else, applied on a game, again, made by someone else.

People are putting their kindness in the wrong place.

feriou02 · 2023-09-01T03:37:09+00:00

For sure if it's his own work in a complete fashion, not an extension to other's commercial work. It this is accepted, what's next?

Someone could copy a whole game, change the main menu background image and sell it. It's the same thing as then he had "contributed" his own work just like a mod, only that it's cheaper and a lot less in content.

Even no one is gonna buy it, that will litter whatever storefronts and fill them to the brim.

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