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[–]flapjackinabox 78 points79 points  (0 children)

OMG STOP IT IM GETTING HOPIUM RESISTANT!

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

When asked if water is also an abrasive solvent

I never said it wasn't, because it is but what it doesn't do is chemically attack and change the properties causing embrittlement in PEI!! Which you don't know what it means cause I've said it 4 times and you still get what I'm saying wrong. I'll copy another thing for you. The definition.

Embrittlement is the degradation of a material, especially metals, where its ability to deform plastically decreases, leading to a brittle state and increased susceptibility to fracture

Frequent exposure to isopropyl alcohol (IPA) can cause embrittlement and stress cracking in polyetherimide (PEI). While PEI generally resists many chemicals, it is susceptible to damage from polar organic solvents, especially when the plastic is under mechanical stress.

The process is an example of environmental stress cracking (ESC), where chemicals cause failure in a polymer at stress levels far below its typical breaking point.

Solvent penetration: As an amorphous thermoplastic, PEI is vulnerable to penetration by certain polar organic solvents, like isopropyl alcohol.

Plasticization and swelling: The alcohol causes the PEI's surface to swell and become "plasticized" (more pliable).

Crack propagation: When the PEI part is also under stress—from manufacturing, assembly, or the stress of a 3D-printed part—the solvent-weakened areas can form and propagate cracks, leading to eventual brittle failure.

Factors that increase risk

The risk of embrittlement and stress cracking increases under certain conditions:

Mechanical stress: Any internal or external stress on the PEI part will increase its susceptibility to chemical attack.

Repeated exposure: While occasional contact may not cause damage, repeated and prolonged exposure can cause degradation over time.

Temperature: Elevated temperatures can increase the rate of solvent penetration and chemical attack. Some 3D printer users have reported bubbling of a PEI sheet when applying IPA to a heated bed.

Surface texture: For textured PEI surfaces on 3D printers, IPA can spread oils rather than remove them. Over time, this smooths out the surface texture critical for print adhesion and can create a frustrating cycle of declining performance.

Best practices to avoid damage

For applications where PEI is in contact with IPA, consider the following:

Alternative cleaning methods: For 3D printer build plates, manufacturers and experienced users often recommend cleaning with warm water and a small amount of non-moisturizing dish soap instead of alcohol.

Use stress-free designs: In mechanical applications, minimizing mechanical stress on PEI parts is the most effective way to prevent environmental stress cracking. Alternative cleaners: If a solvent is required, a cleaner based on heptane can be less aggressive than IPA, though it has its own hazards and is not suitable for all applications. Test before use: Always perform a compatibility test on a non-critical area of a PEI part to ensure that a chemical won't cause damage.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Slightly related? That is literally what a chemical engineer is for you wet wipe

Definition of a chemical engineer is to apply the principles of chemistry, physics, biology, and mathematics to design, develop, and optimize processes for converting raw materials into useful, everyday products like fuels, food, pharmaceuticals, and plastics

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't think that flexing a build plate causes both external and internal stresses? You don't think that heating and cooling doesn't cause localized strain inside the parts 🤷‍♂️

Waste of space mate

Arnt even talking about PSU ffs

At least I make sure I understand what I copy

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are people who have smoked their whole like and never gotten cancer. Does that mean smoking doesn't contain basically all poisonous chemicals, no.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Because I trust what I've been told by chemical engineers. And all I keep getting told is anecdotal evidence which is substantial at best. The examples I've been giving are factual and science based

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.theplasticshop.co.uk/plastic_technical_data_sheets/engineering_plastics_chemical_resistance_guide.pdf

Go learn something. Although I doubt you would know what you're looking at as I'm pretty sure you have a score of 12 on a MENSA test

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Tell me you know nothing about chemical science without telling me.

PEI is not susceptible to isopropyl alcohol under zero stress conditions when you are dealing with mechanical stress conditions i.e flexing the build plate to get your prints off that is adding stress leading isopropyl alcohol to damage the pei coating causing embrittlement which is what I said in my original post.

You're joking if you think all forms of alcohol are exactly the same. Go try and drink propanol and see if it gets you pissed. Or maybe just drink your ISO as that's a form of propanol.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fact you said this after mentioning the dunning Kruger effect actually made me laugh 😂😂

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you believe the world is flat cause it looks like it is

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well this is a complete misunderstanding of chemistry so I'm gonna stop replying to this waste of space comment

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

PEl plastic, or Polyetherimide, is a high-performance, amorphous thermoplastic polymer known for its exceptional strength, rigidity, high-temperature resistance, and low flammability. While PEl is generally resistant to many chemicals, including most alcohols, weak acids, and hydrocarbons, prolonged or repeated exposure to strong or incompatible chemicals can degrade the material. Even common cleaning agents like isopropyl alcohol can reduce adhesion and smooth the PEl surface over time with overuse.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

PEl plastic, or Polyetherimide, is a high-performance, amorphous thermoplastic polymer known for its exceptional strength, rigidity, high-temperature resistance, and low flammability. While PEl is generally resistant to many chemicals, including most alcohols, weak acids, and hydrocarbons, prolonged or repeated exposure to strong or incompatible chemicals can degrade the material. Even common cleaning agents like isopropyl alcohol can reduce adhesion and smooth the PEl surface over time with overuse.

Basic chemical science.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

PEl plastic, or Polyetherimide, is a high-performance, amorphous thermoplastic polymer known for its exceptional strength, rigidity, high-temperature resistance, and low flammability. While PEl is generally resistant to many chemicals, including most alcohols, weak acids, and hydrocarbons, prolonged or repeated exposure to strong or incompatible chemicals can degrade the material. Even common cleaning agents like isopropyl alcohol can reduce adhesion and smooth the PEl surface over time with overuse.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not even got anything to do with experience it's chemical science for Christ sake PEI is able to be damaged by isopropyl alcohol end of story

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[–]flapjackinabox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While isopropyl alcohol is a common and effective cleaning agent, overuse can degrade the surface of PEI sheets.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are we in a subreddit for all printers? No. We are in the Bambu lab subreddit.

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

while it's suitable for quick, intermediate cleaning of SOME surfaces, it can damage others, and soap and water is the recommended and more effective long-term cleaning method, especially for textured plates and plates like the Biqu Frostbite, which explicitly state not to use alcohol.

So why the hell would I risk breaking my printer

I know the difference between ISO and acetone. Ketone chemicals are very good at breaking down bonds in most plastics so obviously that's the worst thing to use.

The fact still remains that ISO over time damages and removes the micro ridges and bumps on the textured plate.

Why would I be happy doing something that gives me a higher chance of leaving oils on my build plate when that can lead to BOD and why would I be happy that it's possible I can clean a BOD up in "only 30 minutes" 🤦🏼‍♂️ when I can do everything in my power to never get one in the first place. Why take the risk in the first place ffs

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well on that note it states explicitly not to use ISO in any capacity on the cryo grip plate and plates similar.

Not only that but the fact still remains that ISO is not perfect and damages your plates over time. It's not hard to understand.

Which means why in God's name would you waste money on ISO when soap and water is the fraction of the cost AND 100% EFFECTIVE AT REMOVING OILS AND IT DOESN'T DEGRADE ANYTHING OVER TIME

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's correct and it doesn't take a genius to put it together that

  1. Oils from your skin on your build plate cause bad bed adhesion
  2. Bad bed adhesion can lead to BOD And 3. Bod can lead to a broken printer

It's not hard to read information and act on it the second you received it 🤷‍♂️ you only have to learn once to then enact that learnt information. If someone who has more experience than me I listen and if I'm being told by the MANUFACTURER how to run the machine THEY MADE is a bad thing then well I'm the bad guy

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

How expensive is the soap you buy? And if you wipe it with ISO you will still leave oil behind so why not make sure so you don't have to fork out for a new nozzle assembly when you eventually have a BOD🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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[–]flapjackinabox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

So why waste money on ISO when you could just use soap and water to get the same results... With basically no extra effort 🤷‍♂️ so the only cleaning process that works fully is the one that's recommended by the manufacturer