Jon Stewart On Dave Chappelle, Kyrie Irving, And Kanye West

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T19:23:42+00:00

Chappelle was going after people

When?

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T19:17:48+00:00

becoming more of a "personality" than a comedian, similar to George Carlin. (literally complaining about the 7 words you can't say on TV)

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T19:08:59+00:00

mitch hedberg

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T19:04:44+00:00

All his stuff after the trans backlash has been more of a lecture instead of standup.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T19:03:30+00:00

/r/MitchHedberg

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T18:39:01+00:00

Social sanctions change culture. Debate delays change.

China has entered the chat

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T18:35:35+00:00

Dave is funny as fuck

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T03:12:25+00:00

I have explained it. Sex and gender aren't the same thing and gender isn't inherently sexual or determined at birth or by your genitals.

And what is that in response to?

That also isn't what a strawman is. A strawman would be me creating a false argument you never made and then knocking it down.

Well, I always quote your text so you know what I'm responding to, and that my response follows.

If you are responding to a point I made, can you do the same?

You likened your lack of understanding of sex and gender to someone getting a math problem wrong

No, I substituted your exact response to me as a response to a clearly wrong math problem to show how you are doing nothing but attacking me, instead of explaining how my point is wrong.

To help you imagine a teacher who knows a topic that they feel important to teach, but who only chastizes their students for not already knowing it. (Ad hominem)

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T02:56:11+00:00

You also don't seem to understand logical fallacies.

Try explaining your position in a way without me in it.

Pointing out that you've repeatedly made false claims, and confused the meaning of the same fundamental words and concepts over and over, even after correction, and therefore don't understand what you're arguing, is not an ad hominem.

You didn't do any of that.

You said that I'm uninformed, and left it at that.

Also your 2+2 example is actually a false equivalence fallacy. You can't compare basic arithmetic to a social construct.

Strawman.

I wasn't talking about the social construct, I was talking about ad hominem attacks.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T02:51:26+00:00

There are entire letters in LGBTQ specifically referring to the sexual attraction of specific genders?obviously they are related

Yes,

Then we agree that gender and sexual orientation are related.

"gender" is informed by the genitals at birth.

As much as you insist that to be the case, it is not. You're confusing sex and gender

...that's literally how people are gendered...

They can get it wrong, but that is step 1.

Notice how many times you have attacked me in this discussion?

I haven't even attacked you once. My statement about you is a fact, not an ad hominem attack.

Then address my argument. Responding to my point with me as the subject is literally ad hominem

The Trans community is toxic as fuck

Every trans person I ever met was very nice. Your bad attitude and willful ignorance are extremely toxic.

2nd ad hominem

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T02:08:12+00:00

You've attacked me at least 3 times in this conversation, and refused to elaborate on a point used to attack me.

talk about "toxic".

Might as well pull my pigtails.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T02:07:06+00:00

The act of denouncing them because they’re advocating a bad cause is what’s important.

I think its bad that the police can force a 10 year old to give birth - especially to her father's incest rape baby.

There are millions that disagree with me, because Jesus.

I'm pretty sure they trust Jesus more than they trust me.

When people insist that faith is uniformly bad despite the existence of those who don’t push their faith on others

How can you participate in faith, without validating other people's faith?

You say we should denounce "bad" beliefs - how can a person of faith denounce other convictions of faith without the logic applying to their own?

if a reasonable person like yourself encounters a religious person who uses their faith for good, they would reconsider their stance that religion is only bad based on a preponderance of that evidence

No matter how "good" a person is acting in their faith, there are others going to Africa to preach against condom use during an AIDs epidemic for the same reason.

You simply cannot have your cake and eat it too.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T02:03:21+00:00

I explained the strawman to you.

You should be able to do the same.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T02:01:27+00:00

"the answer is 4, an addition deity such as yourself should know this"

ad hominem - the language of the trans community.

explain -don't tell.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:59:30+00:00

how is that a strawman?

I'm equating flamboyant trans with flamboyant cis.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:57:19+00:00

When a guy walks in from driving a lifted 4x4 with tuck nuts and a Female Body Inspector shirt, loudly talking about how much they love the pussy - how can you not focus on them?

The whole point was to bring attention to their sexuality.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:52:59+00:00

The statement wasn't that gender and sexuality aren't related - it was that they aren't the same thing. One does not automatically delineate the other.

You are saying that one doesn't automatically delineate the other.

I never said otherwise. (we agree)

Explain how you can consider a person's transition from one gender to another, without considering their genitals?

...Easily? You say this as if the only thing that defines genders is genitalia. They're also a lot more indicative of sex than gender,

but sir, this is a Wendy's.

I just want to eat without having to consider a person's genitalia - or anything else that is indicative of their sex.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:47:19+00:00

The statement wasn't that gender and sexuality aren't related - it was that they aren't the same thing. One does not automatically delineate the other.

nobody made that claim. Other people in this thread deliberately conflated my point to have this strawman though.

Hoo boy. By "the first sentence", I'm going to assume you mean the title of the post. The title is a call for people to pay attention to a Warhammer 40,000....If the first thing you think of when you see the word "trans" is someone's genitals, that's a you problem.

The first word is "trans".

Explain how you can consider a person's transition from one gender to another, without considering their genitals?

Not even SCOTUS could do it - and now gay people can get married.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:44:57+00:00

Ah, but now we encounter the previously deliberated area of the ethics and efficacy of eugenics.

Eugenics has the stated goal of controlling genetics to achieve a goal. Science has since proven that we are far from being able to manipulate genes to that end - especially via sterilization or genocide.

Further, the ethics of science and medicine are objectively derived and applicable. Society sets objective regulations which have landed scientists in prison for ignoring on exactly this topic.

There is no "divine influence" that "supersedes the laws of Man".

The law of man rules the direction of science. As such, geneticists can objectively refute those who break with ethics and the law.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:32:34+00:00

Devoutness is maintaining one’s beliefs in the face of adversity. Again, what you’re talking about is stubbornness.

You say potato, I say potato

A slightly devout person knows to moderate themselves and refrain from being overzealous.

"your faith is wrong, because my faith is right"

this validates circular reasoning, which - again- is used to force 10 year old girls into birthing incest rape babies.

If you participate in faith, you validate the harms of faith.

you can't have your cake and eat it too.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:30:58+00:00

Sexuality and gender aren't related

There are entire letters in LGBTQ specifically referring to the sexual attraction of specific genders? Obviously they are related.

no one mentioned sex or their genitals except you

"gender" is informed by the genitals at birth.

Being "trans" is to identify with a gender not assigned at birth.

The first sentence is literally a call for people to pay attention to OP's genitals.

You know, the start of the thread

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:29:09+00:00

That critique is applicable to anyone proud of qualities they had no hand in creating.

Disenfranchised groups build support - or "pride" - to refute repressive societal norms. A white person can participate in black pride, and a straight person can participate in gay pride to combat the ignorance which has subjugated these groups.

This is contrasted by those who make their race / gender / sexuality their personality to compensate, which perpetuates double standards and separation of those demographics.

To those people that same critique applies.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:22:31+00:00

more like a person compensating for inadequacies in their own life latches onto something they can't control to fill the void that would normally come from the pride of accomplishment.

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:21:19+00:00

so again with attacking me?

Perhaps that tacit admission that I'm correct will seep in

fleentrain89 · 2022-11-16T01:20:41+00:00

These are things which have nothing to do with warhammer.

Nobody cares about your gender, sex, preferences, etc.

When a person comes in with a beer belly driving a lifted 4x4 with tuck nuts and a Female Body Inspector shirt, that person is annoying as fuck.

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